[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY If there is a chance that an innocent individual can be prosecuted and maybe even electrocuted, and a chance that a cold-blooded killer can be set free to kill again, what ethical laws could be implemented to prevent such cases, Lloyd. It seems that the perfect set of laws is a type of dreaming in color. The old biblical attrocities were based on ideals of order and perfection, with the killing off of folks who would not abide by certain laws advocated in certain cultural judicial systems. Moses killed off hundreds of folks, as is said, just for not standing on his side. I don't think we can fix the world, but we can fix our attitude towards its injustice.

I never mentioned anything about perfect laws, Nobody, just better laws. A few will always suffer, for the many. That sure as hell doesn't mean we've reached the zenith of better laws, now does it...? You can't fix your attitude towards the world's injustice, until you know the proper laws of improvement, for the greater good, for all, otherwise it's all just illusion of action... You're just spinning your wheels on ice, until educated to the better laws... No amount of self-internal-improvement will change the world. Only the external action of creating/writing and passing better laws, will successfully start to solve the world's problems... Did you forget, all real change has been granted the world, by the better lawgivers, all throughout history...

Actions speak louder than words, i.e., deeds over thoughts...

Lloyd

[Tina]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY If there is a chance that an innocent individual can be prosecuted and maybe even electrocuted, and a chance that a cold-blooded killer can be set free to kill again, what ethical laws could be implemented to prevent such cases, Lloyd......... I don't think we can fix the world, but we can fix our attitude towards its injustice.

If our ideas of right/wrong and good/bad are flawed then our Judgements will inevitably be flawed...so INJUSTICE is a big issue in regard to the symptoms of Evil...Knowledge of Good and Bad to me is the criteria for injustice.

Inherent in our idea of "Knowledge" is the thinking that we acurately KNOW what is actually good and know what is actually bad!

Once (in Victorian times) it was very "bad" for a lady to show her anckles and they had to be covered up - and at the same time men would become sexually aroused at the sight of the curviture of a table leg. This is an example of how flawed ideas lead to perversion of our behaviour...very damaging to our psyches!

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Tina I understand your argument here. But we have well established that in the Judeo/Christian & Muslim systems ideas of good/bad are highly flawed. I still ask though - assuming all are under the sensible ethical laws - what will ensure compliance if people do not get their emotions under control.

Hi Tina, IMO, people's emotions are secondary to better laws. If the proper laws were instituted, people's emotions would be satisfied, instead of the present's drastic dis-equilibriums, between the haves, and the have-nots. This in no way means, taking from the rich, and giving to the poor, but giving more to both. Such law systems have been known, since Plato, yet totally ignored by an ignorant populace, due to no more than emotion having the loudest voices, of pure ignorance. This must change... Change can only come about by a willingness of the populace, to realize how ignorant they are to simple historical evidence, and start listening to the world's true master-minds. There are many of these master-minds still alive, who know the truths of the pasts true master-minds, yet most are not aware, at all, of these simple facts of history. Most of the master-minds names and ideas are cleary mentioned on my google web-blog, and related notes, posted to the right bottom of the links section... Link:

The main idea is self-liquidating national debts, made scientifically possible of working, through time scale changing, internal or international, exchange clearing laws. But of course, this is most likely way over many people's heads... So, we trudge on, awaiting the future to awake, to the complex scientific truths, even though many have been available, for centuries upon centuries...

Regards,
Lloyd

[Fluent Piffle]

Tell people something they know already and they will thank you for it. Tell them something new and they will hate you for it.

Great quote from your George Monbiot link, Lloyd!

http://www.monbiot.com/


pif.

[Rufus]

Tina you wrote:

1) Evil is not allways a conscious act.

2) Animals do what is necessary but humans often do what is unecessary.

3) What is considered evil is completely arbitrary

4)We act with instinct plus emotion and intellect.

5) Animals claim and protect their space. The human treats space as something more than a spacial area.

and I comment:

This is very good Tina ..your style is similiar to mine

You have a mind that is like a steel trap.

I'm impressed

rufe

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Rufus and I comment: your style is similiar to mine I'm impressed rufe

Yes but what is the Root of all Evil?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tina Please Note EVIL = Anything that defaces Life This was difficult to communicate breaking into your narrative like this hope it makes sense. This forum is GARDENING.

Tina
I stand in AWE
40 days!
350 posts!
After reading all that I'll be darned if I could argue with your reasoning
rufe

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Rufus Tina After reading all that I'll be darned if I could argue with your reasoning rufe

Oh Wise One I'm impressed with you too!

[Rufus]

Tina

What the heck are you doing here on Christmas Eve?

Don't answer that because I'm crashing out now

I can't believe you kept them all at bay for such a length of time

You really sound like a teacher

I'll catch up with you tomorrow

And by the by.. I think that your answer to the quiz is very very good but I'm having second thoughts about it. There is no good or evil as you have said yourself, unless I'm misquoting you. Our life needs the down side. Maybe I'm just burnt out. lol

Merry holidays and g'nite Tina

Rufe

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com

Austintorn

I suspect (this is off topic, sorry) that you took a picture and ran it through a processor such as psp or adobe ps to put the drop shadow on the drawing and lettering.

Please tell me what software has such lettering. I'm basically a graphic artist and love this sort of thing. No need to tell me how to do it, I'll figure it out.

I'll be forever in your debt

Rufe TIA