[Drifter]

Originally Posted by futrethink Drifter. ---Tsk, tsk. ---And here I thought you had such full knowledge of self-esteem. If what I say is not the truth, it should not anger you, as it is a lie, but if it is a ‘truth’ and does anger you, the question you should ask yourself is, “Why?”

http://www.newsflash.org/2003/05/ht/ht003767.htm

[Tina]

Originally Posted by dolly Tina how about create. A garden aquires roots after its created.

Maybe the human created and cultivated the fertile ground for EVIL to take root in...but did they do so under some misguided idea about the seed being planted.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Profpat LOL. Well...... But seriously Satan.....the lowest, because of his betrayal of God. Did not Adam and Eve betray God also? Then we have Brutus, and lets not forget Judas. Right up to the present. It's probably not the answer that Tina is looking for but I thought I would enter it as another one of my guesses.

Wasn't Satan's crime the refusal to serve ? And regarding "betrayal" not the root of evil and not even necessarily evil.....depends on circumstances s.a. Judas was predestined to betray Jesus and the betrayal was necessary for the (divine) plan.

[Mikal]

Tina....a quote by C. G. Jung, Aion

Satan represented as "The Shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego personality for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort."

I became conscious of the shadow through a particularly complex moral dilemma I had to face and struggle with in life...it was in that tremendous struggle I experienced what Jung spoke of as "the shadow which cannot be refused, neglected, tamed by good behavior, silenced by piety...but through a painful challenge to integrate our unloved part to the whole." Outer morality is human created laws but inner morality is a higher order of laws...sewn into the fabric of existence....


Peace Mikal

[Drifter]

God created the world and it was 'good' then Adam[pure conscience]...then clothed in a skin... then caused a deep sleep to come upon adam...whom God took a rib from, and made him a companion who then is presented as a "wayward soul".

It' a motif about our "Psyche"...The Garden of Eden

It's "THE" 'recurring creation motif' in all religions and Philosphies.

"There's "The Root". "our"... thinking mechanism/mind. "I", "I","I", "me", "me", "me" "ing" i
"i-I" is the root... [see how it ~gRoWs~ on one]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~D evil

Namaste`
D.

[Drifter]

"Our intense need to understand will always be a powerful stumbling block to our attempts to reach God in simple love [...] and must always be overcome. For if you do not overcome this need to understand, it will undermine your quest. It will replace the darkness which you have pierced to reach God with clear images of something which, however good, however beautiful, however Godlike, is not God."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud_of_Unknowing

http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/teams/cloud.htm

More than any other, the present period of history should have a humble and open-minded attitude toward all possible sources of knowledge. Modern man has lived to see the most productive discoveries drawn from previously rejected materials. Under the hand of science, fungi and molds have been found to be sources of healing substances. Again and again in a variety of ways we are reminded of the saying of Jesus that the stone which has been cast aside will become the cornerstone. The experience of modern man has shown this to be the case on many different levels of existence,...

For the article review: http://www.enotes.com/classical-medieval-criticism/cloud-unknowing/ira-progoff-essay-date-1957

“The Well and The Cathedral” ~Ira Progoff Progoff’s translation into modern day English is the basis for this book and Ira’s Life-Work…He was a student exploring the disciplines of contemplative zen, Christianity, Hasidism, various cosmic philosophers and poets, Lao Tse, Sufism, and especially the prophetic spirit of the Old Testament.

The influence of each of these teachings as well as of others, is to be found in the text of The Well and The Cathedral, although the symbolism of none is expressed directly
“The metaphor of the well represents the individuality and uniqueness of our life, but the further we go into it the more completely we transcend the separateness of our ego-existence. It expresses the profound paradox that the more we move inward into our privacy and individuality [non-duality/oneness] the more we become connected to the wholeness and the richness of the universe. At it’s deeper levels we experience an expansion of consciousness that enables us to feel we are not limited to being only ourselves. We move through the well of the Self into a dimension beyond it, and that is when we come to the underground stream. Here we experience the Unity of Being and are one with it. It is the place of transcendence where, after a long inward journey, self-transformation and renewal begin.

When the historical traditions lose their power to guide us, we are turned back to the resources of our own individuality. There we experience our all-too-human limitations and the feeling of anxiety that are inherent in being a finite person in an infinite universe. As we proceed into the deeps of the Self, however, we come to a place that is beyond dread and diagnosis, beyond both the darkness of existentialism and the pathology of medicine. It is an inward place, and we can reach it when we have gone far enough into the well of our Self to enter the underground stream.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal Tina....a quote by C. G. Jung, Aion Satan represented as "The Shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego personality for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort." I became conscious of the shadow through a particularly complex moral dilemma I had to face and struggle with in life...it was in that tremendous struggle I experienced what Jung spoke of as "the shadow which cannot be refused, neglected, tamed by good behavior, silenced by piety...but through a painful challenge to integrate our unloved part to the whole." Outer morality is human created laws but inner morality is a higher order of laws...sewn into the fabric of existence.... Peace Mikal

Thanks Mikal...

http://www.plaync.com/us/games/aion/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_ischemic_optic_neuropathy

http://webeye.ophth.uiowa.edu/dept/aion/

http://www.emedicine.com/oph/topic161.htm

Peace Drifter

[Mikal]

It is our generation who are reflecting the style of our age which is more anthropological than anthropocentric. It is we who are attacking the historical traditions and encouraging the loss of their power over our lives. In our current movements of subtle rebellion we are placing consumer civilization in judgement, we are denouncing bureaucracies and demanding the transformation of education and learning. We are attacking old orders and established institutions to affirm human beings as beings of decisions who must partake of reality not as a fixed idea but as a series of problems we face to solve in our own quests for human completion...


peace Mikal

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Mikal It is our generation who are reflecting the style of our age which is more anthropological than anthropocentric. It is we who are attacking the historical traditions and encouraging the loss of their power over our lives. In our current movements of subtle rebellion we are placing consumer civilization in judgement, we are denouncing bureaucracies and demanding the transformation of education and learning. We are attacking old orders and established institutions to affirm human beings as beings of decisions who must partake of reality not as a fixed idea but as a series of problems we face to solve in our own quests for human completion... peace Mikal

The evolved bi-cameral mind of... The Man-Apes...quite A Tree...the more things change, the more they stay the same...

peace Drifter

[Drifter]

The root of all evil is nourished by the aters of selfism...self-righteousness...

The "Root of all Evil" stems from the seed [self- posturing] of the "i/me" germ emanation/animation]...f.f.t.,...inside a"jumping-bean/seed" is a procreating "worm"...

The Parable of The Sower? Johnny Apple~seed?


Peace, Love and Equanimty...
Drifter [peering mystically...and by way of metaphor and similes offering apples to any/all]