[G_burnett]

yes war, the foolishness of the young and the old .. thats evil TY pat. Graham

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Profpat Thank you Drifter for your service to your country during the Vietnam War. A hearty salute to you sir, Pat

Thank You Sir...

This is the third time this week and in total for the past 40 years anyone has ever said so...

I am humbly honored to have offered my life for my country and thankful I still have both arms and legs and a somewhat unscathed mind as a result of it...many of 'my brothers' were not so fortunate as I...

I am truly blessed Sir...Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

'Semper Fi' Professor, in Their Honor . . .(though they knew not why they did what they did...they 'voluteered')...neither of the men on either side really won anything imho but they both lost alot...in ways unimaginable...

Gone but not Forgotten . . .

Hindsight is always 20/20 . . .Empires are built upon The Sacrificial Valor, of both sides . . .

I Am Truly Honored By Them . . . The One's Who Paid The Ultimate Price . . . In My Stead . . . Standing For Me, In My Leave . . .To Those Fallen Comrades, on both sides, I Honor A Salute . . . and from the madness, A Moment of Silence on Their Behalf . . .

Namaste`,
My Spiritual Brothers...


"Then out spake brave Horatius, The Captain of the Gate: ``To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his gods?"
Drifter

[Profpat]

I did a George Bush during Vietnam and joined the Air National Guard. After 6 months of basic and tech school, we became weekend warriors.

I was activated twice during my stint there, once in 1967 because of the Detroit riots and again in 1968 because of the Detroit riots. Detroit likes to riot a lot.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Profpat I did a George Bush during Vietnam and joined the Air National Guard. After 6 months of basic and tech school, we became weekend warriors. I was activated twice during my stint there, once in 1967 because of the Detroit riots and again in 1968 because of the Detroit riots. Detroit likes to riot a lot.

Namaste` "Brother", "Comrade", "Self" . . .

Same times there in California . . . just student protest mostly, standing for Peace, go figure?

Similar times ahead I'm afraid . . .There's more than one snake in the grass prof. Our Garden is Full with them . . .Both indeginous and not and interbred of a more neutral camoflage...as soon as they open their mouth it's dead give-away though...watch out for phoney smiles brother...they have a voracious bite!...
Salutations Comrade,
D.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Drift,

Carl Sagan was filled with the wonder of life; I think, too, that he is missed; he also had some great argument against the One Being sometimes referred to as God.

I delivered computer tapes for the Army.

[G_burnett]

just an old story

" small smokeless fire being tended, Cambodia, camo faces peering into the darkness ... from ten to twenty feet away from the glow of ... melted into the dusk .. of jungle mud .. grime and insects, always insects ..."

the captain comes out of a smoky dug out holding in his arms non script manila file holders, so empty now the twelve was held in one hand, his left. His right always where it was.

Black in heart and skin, you would know him by his teeth, rotten to the core, never mind his bloodshot eyes or rolling walk.

"Well boys, time to leave, i think?" he said, softly, but all heard him.

One by one eyes blink to reflected ember white agreement after a slight caress of stock or drummed fingers on a scabbarded knife hilt and even a deep breath or two ... one spit, another realized the tight grip of hung frag, an just a slight less grip was given....

snipe lifting his net off his face, dog, wolf, dave, redye, ... one by one in silent toe first step they rose each in turn to take there file, and a single record sheet of contract form that had made them what they were ... then each sit back down for the moon as embers rose to flame so fed now of empty handed turn, just breifly a light.... not one smile did show as history turned to ash.

south by south east the path sixty and four the beach and z, quiet were the guns and dry the knife and curled the wire as food came unaware an passed.

They were going home. fifty would have passed, and did. Seventy five would have passed and did, in running lope as a hundred would have passed too, for victory was soon there's, they were all going home too ... but only eighty six went by till one ... just had to pee. one, just had, to, pee.

eighty seven turned to the scream, more then could see it all, he'd have no children now for sure an faced one twenty more or so all so fast as in between the run was gauntlet doom, for the ten between so seen ...

Snipe was up a tree, quiet as he could be, redeye under leaves, he couldn't run you see.

no one knows more then ten how many died that morn and day, but come that night and three days more twenty seven rear guard met there date with fate, deserted is what they said for sure of all or home meant more then some straglers late or fate... then in border reached, a number twenty eight, a general sure or some unknown high stupid rank standing at the gate, ... 830 yards or more a foot or two away, just smiling and smoking looking smugly back as smoky circled curls waifted straight above his lips, no wind.... glasses truned then to specticle and brains to feed the fish old foolish man was he, hah!

... redeye waited at the z, an two went home to peace ... eventually, with footsteps lost in time you see.

(words found in diary floating in the south china sea) canadian author unknown,

War is evil.

Children and old men just making a dollar or two at the cost of others care?

This was evil, is, and will be evil, by nature of man ability to do so, less he be somthing less, or more? Just the ponder an really who cares that much or could as a job is just a job for some. but i personaly do not know the root of evil despite the ponder, sorry tina it has slipped me by and i guess piddling is the root? hmmm ~ g

[Mikal]

THE CALM AFTER WAR

Soldiers' weary footsteps...
Echo across empty fields...
Hears are heavy..children fatherless
Coffins endless..in the terror war yields.
The Dawn breaks its light
Upon man's heavy burden of hidden pain
Tears choked back...gripping fear
Horror internalized with nothing to gain
The Sun shines upon unseen spilt blood
To witness that lives have passed...
As war's planners, archetects and strategists
Collect the paperwork war has amassed...
They call it a day of victory..
A war fought well..
As soldiers who survive
Limp home to nightmares only memories can tell.....



Love and Peace to all Mikal

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com Drift, Carl Sagan was filled with the wonder of life; I think, too, that he is missed; he also had some great argument against the One Being sometimes referred to as God. I delivered computer tapes for the Army.

Thank you Austin,

And to all who serverd in every capacity any and all...Thank you brothers and sisters without all the help, no one of us could have accoplished anything...and for all that we still don't have PEACE...

Also Austin...and I agree with Carl here when I say . . . I don't believe in The "God" that others don't believe in either... For the term "God" is The Creative Energy behind The Fabric Of Life It Self... Maya, ET AL . . .

Thanks for sharing,
D.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Thanks, Drift,

The Vietnam war is a good example of higher-ups making draftees do things.

Some bombs landed in the base at Long Binh when I was there, but Rascal Puff, another vet, saved me, although I didn't know him at the time.

In the end, though, President Nixon fell—and Lyndon Johnson gave up and didn't run again, so people do have some say.



Tina,

Ready to give birth?

[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com Thanks, Drift, The Vietnam war is a good example of higher-ups making draftees do things. Some bombs landed in the base at Long Binh when I was there, but Rascal Puff, another vet, saved me, although I didn't know him at the time. In the end, though, President Nixon fell—and Lyndon Johnson gave up and didn't run again, so people do have some say. Tina, Ready to give birth?

Dear Austin:
It hadda be someone else who saved you in Long Binh, I've never been to SouEast Asia, though I've written at length about Asian warfare -
http://forums.delphiforums.com/subed...sages/?msg=1.1

I did pre invasion reconnaissance in the Bay of Pigs, in the Spring of '61 (My tour of duty was from 7/'58 to 7/'62).

What I am trying to fathom is how resourceful you are with apparently unending stories and information.
Some people are describing your jolly good work as genius that nobody can deny...