[purveyor of knowledge]

The importance of a theory is that it allows us to know what we cannot know.

Here's a prime example. If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there does it make a sound? The answer is WE DO NOT KNOW! But in theory, it does.

Here's another prime example. After all the stars go out of sight and the particles turn to mite, will the arrow of time reverse? The answer is, WE DO NOT KNOW! But in theory, it will!

That is the importance of a theory, and how it allows us to know what we cannot know. Sound impossible? Well so are you!

Man, if Kurt Godel were here I would shake his hand. Then I might be inclined to give him a good slapping.

He said, "there is one thing in the universe that we know we cannot know. But we don't know what it is."

Well I have figured out what it is children. It is verisimilitude. It is one thing divided by nothing baby.


1
0

The number in mathematics that we have so feared, but which will liberate our understanding about our misunderstanding. It is the one impeccable value that is consistently in contradiction of itself! It is the absolute greatest morale, the love/hate relationship, the cosmic bittersweet irony. It is second to none, and opposite to nothing. It is becoming what it is becoming.

Don't ask me how I know, because to know that, I would have to know how I got here to begin with. Did you send me? Alas, I know so much, and mystery still befuddles me.

So do we know or do we not know "it" all? Goddamnit, is everything defined or is it undefined? It's the Axiom of Choice baby! You could live in the theory of nothing if you choose.


Man, if Ernst Zermelo were here I'd shake his hand too.

peace

[N0B0DY]

"The importance of a theory is that it allows us to know what we cannot know."

Lloyd should love it, pok, because similarly he claims the changeless can change. So perhaps you guys can know together what you cannot ever know. Which is that 0/0 = everything and nothing because any number divided by zero equals zero; and that 1/0 cannot equal everything because zero multiplied by one does not equal one.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY "The importance of a theory is that it allows us to know what we cannot know." Lloyd should love it, pok, because similarly he claims the changeless can change. So perhaps you guys can know together what you cannot ever know. Which is that 0/0 = everything and nothing because any number divided by zero equals zero; and that 1/0 cannot equal everything because zero multiplied by one does not equal one.

Ha ha ha, you are fun nobody. But I think what you mean to say is that 1/0 cannot equal everything because zero multiplied by 1/0 does not equal one.

But for the record, zero multiplied by 1/0 equals 0/0, and 0/0 is equal to anything.

At least you got that part right.

me=%99 Math ACT
damn that last percent!

cheers

[mkirkpatrick]

Interesting thread POK,but tell me,what has a number got to do reality?Surely it just IS!




regards michael.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Bless your heart mkirkpatrick. Luckily, it allows us to know what we cannot know. You may not understand this number, but it has EVERTYHING to do with reality. IN fact, it tells us that reality is nothing if not a consistent contradiction, which is, contradictorily, consistent. It tells us point blank.

We cannot even tell if reality is real or not. We know what we cannot know.

Picture this, if we know nothing besides reality, then how can we know it is real or not? WE DO NOT KNOW. But in theory, we know. THat is the power of a theory. Theory is belief is naivety is understanding.

regards

ps. something that is not divided by anything at all IS conscious. It is like life, like light

[N0B0DY]

I got 101%, pok, and I meant only what I said, nothing more.

It's like e/c^2 equals m because e equals mc^2. When applied to your equation, it proves false: 1/0 does not equal everything because 1 does not equal everything (one) multiplied by zero.

We have yet to put the 0/0 at the absolute center, and once done it will be clearer to see how the center carries throughout any and all illusory measurements claimed to be real.

[MJA]

.( WARNING: age sensitive post )

The importance of a scientific theory is the same as the importance of a science fiction story; they are fun to fantasies and think about, and also for many, fun to play with. And if they are really good stories, people make them into movies.
But unfortunately, It makes me very sad to tell you, they are much like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, only make believe and not really true.

Bummer huh?

=
MJA


PS: If a tree falls in the woods, it will make noise. I've heard it.
That aint no theory science boys, that's the natural truth!!!

[Sentient marine]

I must admit to being somewhat amused that we have the existence of zero.

Example three apples in a jug of water, take three apples from the jug.
Sure you have zero apples but there is water where the apples were and air where the water was when it dropped.

So curiously before we even get as far as 1/0 is it ever possible that we even have zero?
This is especially significant when there is a measure of energy theoretically at every known point in the universe even in the most complete vacuum.

Just a thought, cheers
Michael

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by purveyor of knowledge Bless your heart mkirkpatrick. Luckily, it allows us to know what we cannot know. You may not understand this number, but it has EVERTYHING to do with reality. IN fact, it tells us that reality is nothing if not a consistent contradiction, which is, contradictorily, consistent. It tells us point blank. We cannot even tell if reality is real or not. We know what we cannot know. Picture this, if we know nothing besides reality, then how can we know it is real or not? WE DO NOT KNOW. But in theory, we know. THat is the power of a theory. Theory is belief is naivety is understanding. regards ps. something that is not divided by anything at all IS conscious. It is like life, like light

Thank you for the blessing POK,feel that I have a spring in my step,feel lighter!
We all live within the embrace of reality,albeit,we do not understand it!However,
much as i respect your number,and see that it is most important to you,I still maintain
that life (reality) just IS!And has no need of a number to further its beingness.

regards michael.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Thanks a lot for your replies everybody! I'm impressed with what you all have to say. I will hit all your responses one by one. It's like one always says, One good turn deserves another.

Originally Posted by N0B0DY I got 101%, pok, and I meant only what I said, nothing more.

how can you get %101??? That's not a possible ACT score! But I must assume you really did. Congratulations for beating me!

Originally Posted by nobody It's like e/c^2 equals m because e equals mc^2. When applied to your equation, it proves false: 1/0 does not equal everything because 1 does not equal everything (one) multiplied by zero.

Yes, e/c^2 = m because e = mc^2

But, with all due respect, you seem to have made an accidental error on the second part. Allow me to explain for the class.

You say 1 does not equal everything (one) multiplied by zero, but I'm not saying everything is one, I'm saying everything is one UNDIVIDED and that's a very VERY big difference. So everything, 1/0, multiplied by zero, equals 0/0, which CAN be equal to 1. Your error is in removing the divided by zero part. You cannot say 1*0, because that does equal 0, correct. You must say 1/0 * 0, because that equals anything. In english we say everything times nothing equals anything. That is one of the algebraic rules of 1/0 which has been uncovered. Gracias

Originally Posted by nobody We have yet to put the 0/0 at the absolute center, and once done it will be clearer to see how the center carries throughout any and all illusory measurements claimed to be real.

Good job Nobody. Just keep in mind, we cannot tell if "it" is real or illusory. WE CAN NOT TELL. But in theory, it is real. That is the importance of a theory, and you can't get there without the axiom of choice.

Lastly, you are right that 0/0 should lie at the absolute center of the circle of irony. Or another way to write it would be 1/0*1/0. They both mean the same thing - anything!

I have rewritten the circle as per your recommendation on this and will try to upload it soon. It looks really cool. THanks for the help, and the hindrance, Nobody. That's what we call debate.

Originally Posted by MJA The importance of a scientific theory is the same as the importance of a science fiction story; they are fun to fantasies and think about, and also for many, fun to play with. And if they are really good stories, people make them into movies. But unfortunately, It makes me very sad to tell you, they are much like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, only make believe and not really true

A movie. Hey, that's a damn good idea! WHy didn't I think of that? Well there's already lots of "unintentional" references to the TOE in movies. See my thread "references to the TOE in pop culture"
http://www.toequest.com/forum/the-hi...p-culture.html

But how do you know a scientific theory cannot be true? That is because no theory yet has let us know what we cannot know, except for the completely incomplete theorem but Kurt Godel never understood it correctly. He never applied the axiom of choice. He never looked at it from an optimistic perspective. That is what the TOE grants us, the optimistic perspective that we know what we cannot know. For how can we know what is true? WE DO NOT KNOW. But in theory, we do. Virtuous!

Well, I know you do. Thanks MJA. You are a very smart individual.

Originally Posted by sentient marine I must admit to being somewhat amused that we have the existence of zero. Example three apples in a jug of water, take three apples from the jug. Sure you have zero apples but there is water where the apples were and air where the water was when it dropped.

You hit the nail on the head Sentient marine! Say, I had a very interesting marine come and visit one stormy day. He said he was a super-freak of magnanimous order... but that's another story alltogether.

You are right, the number 0 DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL. It is that which is undefined, not it's opposite. You see, mathematics today has it all backwards. They think that the undivided, indefinate value is undefined. But it is not. It is the number 0 that is without definition in light. Everything else is defined by the light, and everything else is divided by... well, not anything. For everything must be connected to have a unified field.

Originally Posted by sentient marine So curiously before we even get as far as 1/0 is it ever possible that we even have zero? This is especially significant when there is a measure of energy theoretically at every known point in the universe even in the most complete vacuum.

Exactly sentient marine! 0 doesn't even exist, so if we say 1 divided by 0 all we are really saying is something that is not divided at all. Can't you see what this means? It means UNIFIED FIELD!!! Hey I think you chaps are starting to get it finally. I am so elated.

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thank you for the blessing POK,feel that I have a spring in my step,feel lighter! We all live within the embrace of reality,albeit,we do not understand it!However, much as i respect your number,and see that it is most important to you,I still maintain that life (reality) just IS!And has no need of a number to further its beingness.

Well you are certainly very welcome dear Michael KirkPatrick. In the book of life you are truly an excellent individual.

You are right, life and reality exist without a certain vertical dash above a horizontal line and a circle. As you see, the number 1/0 is just an abstract symbol. But what is important is what it represents. It represents unity of mankind. It represents unity of everything. And there is a MUCH better symbol which shows this directly. It is a symbol which represents the harmonious fusion of opposite essences, just like the yin/yang symbol, or the combination of positive and negative infinities. It is the symbol of two circles interlocking. If zero is correctly represented by a circle then everything, it's opposite, should correctly be represented by two circles interlocking. This is the most common symbol in advertising and there is a reason why. It is because our subconscious knows what our conscious does not yet. When we become consciousely aware of our subconscious we will be able to control our thoughts and know what we do not. And that is the importance, of a theory.

I like the way you said it MK, life just is. But more specifically, it is becoming what it is becoming.

Well, I'm astonished at the response to this thread everybody. THanks again everybody! You all are a truly terrific lot. If anybody sent me I hope it was you. You all are my "God." We are all together. Nothing divides us! We are not divided! We are unified! WE ARE WHAT MAKES THE UNIFIED FIELD!!! WE ARE ALL GOD. GOD IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS. GOD IS THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE CANNOT KNOW. SO DO WE KNOW OR DO WE NOT?

IT'S THE AXIOM OF CHOICE! WE CANNOT KNOW. BUT IN THEORY, WE DO.

THAT IS THE POWER OF A THEORY!

superlative!