[Guille]

My question is, should the correct TOE neglect god, any thing about religions, like things about the unvierse and so on....???????

Personally, I think it shouldn't, although I am an antitheist atheist I don't think science and religion should ever get mixed up.

[AntonioLao]

a complete theory of everything is the same as reading the mind of God (symbol of perfection or purity, the beginning and the end connected into an endless, timeless loop or cycle of regeneration). Can pure thoughts exist without matter? Can pure thoughts exist without volume of space? Can pure thoughts exist without energy?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao a complete theory of everything is the same as reading the mind of God (symbol of perfection or purity, the beginning and the end connected into an endless, timeless loop or cycle of regeneration). Can pure thoughts exist without matter? Can pure thoughts exist without volume of space? Can pure thoughts exist without energy?

What do you mean by "pure thoughts"?

[AntonioLao]

the same as pure mind.

[hanzoganz]

in the beginning god created the ligth... and at the end, he created a man, and a woman to be by his side.

We exist in a universe created somehow. I´m an atheist myself, or a bright, as some of us call ourselfs, people who don´t have time to think about god, ´cause we look for empirical or naturalistic explanations to the facts. Just because we don´t know about the origin of the universe of life, we can not say that god had to be the creator of everything. Or perhaps we could, if the go into the myths, which are beatiful poems about the origins of mankind and whe world.

One of the possible changes in the conception of God when, and if, whe attaing the TOE, would be thinking of him as a machine or whatever is in fashion at that time. The image of god evolves according to what humans discover through time in technology and science.

Cheers

[AntonioLao]

Einstein believed that God does not play dice. God does not play games. God is subtle but He is not malicious. Einstein believed till the day he died that the universe is deterministic instead of probabilistic. Quantum mechanics is based on probabilistic principles such as Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and the probability amplitudes of the wave functions. It is impossible to know exactly the position and momentum of an electron simultaneously.

[Guille]

Well, you, in your own post disproved Einstein's god.

Einstein was wrong about the deterministic universe. Or at least until there is a theory that disproves quantum mechanics (doubtfull) it is like that.

[AntonioLao]

quantum mechanics is an incomplete theory, the best it can do is to say that we live in a left-handed universe and that most of the anti-particles do not want to live in this left-handed world. The indeterminism comes from not knowing where the right-handed world is or where are the antimatter located.

Einstein believed in a deterministic universe that is equal in both left and right matter and energy and where matter and antimatter coexist, but when they do pure energy is created.

[Omni]

No TOE will ever rule out God, because whatever you know or think you know about the universe, you will never know if it's the whole picture.

[davidgow77]

I think a TOE needs to present us with a paradigm shift in the way we see ourselves and our universe. I don't think a TOE needs to explain religion, but a philosohpical analysis of a successful TOE would have to examine the TOE from a theological perspective. Maybe explanations could be gained through this process. I think that a Physics/cosmology based TOE (one that explains the creation of the universe) will almost certainly fail to provide any evidence as to the existence of god because the paradox is that, if the whole universe has been created from nothing, then nothing physical (and therefore nothing measurable or definable) could have existed before it. I think that this will give rise to great debate about what god is, let alone whether or not it exists, which should provide some interesting ideas. In short, I think that a TOE will apply across a wide range of subjects, but that I think the classical "Theory of Everything" will remain a theory of physics, philosophy and mathematics.

DG