Vegetarianism is a Higher level View

[labelwench]

Carrots are the most user friendly vegetable to grow where I live, for maximum space efficiency and long season storage.

Some people find carrots a problem to grow, yet it need not be so.

1. Prepare and moisten the soil well, prior to seeding.

2. Individual spacing of carrots eliminates the need for thinning. I space 1 inch apart, and average 95-97% germination. As the carrots grow, each one has the potential for a 'baby carrot' and my only thinning is an early harvest of the lovely orange roots.

3. Keep the seed bed moist, to achieve high germination rates. A row cover of white spun polyester works well to retain moisture and deter pests, while allowing sunlight and rainfall to penetrate.

Harvest and cleanup are minimal, as the horses will eat the tops and root tips, as well as any deviant carrot forms, with enthusiasm. Done. Nothing remains to be composted or disposed of, unlike most other plants grown, tomatoes, potatoes, peppers, brassicas come to mind.....

I have just used up the last of my carrots from 2009, presently simmering in a pot for a later meal. They were stored in a plain white plastic bag, on the floor by the back entry since September. Once a week, I would open the bag for air exchange and to inspect that all were remaining viable. Some of the carrots were showing tiny new growth, which I take as an indicator that there is still life potential and energy in eating such a food, and also, that they found my treatment of them to be adequate to our mutual needs.

[timeparticle]

This is what I wanted you folks to see. If you care about the food you eat, watch this movie.

This is the link for part 1 of 10 for the full adventure. Sit back and relax....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1xNe...eature=related

[melanie]

This is what I wanted you folks to see. If you care about the food you eat, watch this movie.

Genesis 9:3(English Standard Version)

'' Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. ''



The cosmos is delicately balanced between the concepts of complete order and absolute chaos, and cares only for the reproduction of itself, that and balance harmony and equilibrium.
Brutality barbarism, nurture, love and compassion, are part and parcel of natures law /will to be.
Existence exists, only because it eats from within it's own self.
It's a self-sustaining, self sufficient, feedback loop, where desire begets desire.
It could never be any other way.

Humans have evolved a 'mind' which has developed a 'conscious knowing' between the difference of right and wrong, good and evil.
Endowing humanity with a power over and above that of any other living species on earth today, this 'mind' has the 'potential' to become a placid harmless creature, or the most selfishly destructive force ever to roam the earth.

No offence to 'the mind' intended.

Not that you could offend 'a mind' what and who ever that is.

[melanie]

Further:

Animals live purely by natures instinct, humanity however, have lost their natural instinct.
Animals are free from ego.
Humans are not free from ego...(their mind)

Those who advocate ego-freedom with minimal legal and political restrictions do not seem to realize what the consequences are when ego's are set loose to do whatever they like.
Here are just a few of those consequences.


As egos we are free to attack people who anger us as much as we like, and deprive them of their freedom.
And we are the judges of that.

As egos we are free to charge whatever interest we like, and charge "whatever the market will stand" especially in pharmaceuticals.

As egos we are free to be in discrete collusion in the marketplace or in organizations as much as we like.

As egos we are free to make as much profit as we can get from customers, even if we are in discrete collusion.

As egos we are free to impose our ego-wills on other people or creatures whether they like it or not, especially our lower hierarchy "inferiors" such as children, workers, women, other races, other religions, other countries, and higher animals such as whales.

As egos we are free to know that each of us is always "right," and that the other ego-polarity is always "wrong."

As egos we are free to starve people, deprive them of health, limit their education, and hobble their development by our greediness.

As egos we are free to make all the rules and laws which guarantee our ego-freedom to do whatever we like at the expense of those who are less bright, "inferior," disadvantaged, etc., or even those who not interested in competition, and those who are primarily interested in the welfare and well-being of the human race, (e.g., Doctors without borders, Oxfam).

As egos we are free to pollute our atmosphere and environment as much as we like, especially if it a by-product of making increased profits.

As egos we are free to rape Mother Earth of as many profitable minerals and profitable products as we like, including decimating our rain-forests, emptying our fresh water aquifers.

As egos we are free to kill off hundreds of species every year because they get in the way of making money or our pleasures.

But that's just the way it is, and things will never change.

Solution 1
Follow natures law and not your own.
You will automatically know what to do, with normal automatic ordinary functional senses.
Nature cares only for equilibrium, even if that means wiping you human from the face of the earth.

[labelwench]

Presently, I am reading a book called 'Fast Food Nation', which is very detailed and informative. A few things jumped out at me as being of interest and possibly not known to all vegetarians, and for that reason I post the following excerpts here.

The McDonald's Corporation will not reveal the exact origin of the natural flavor added to it's french fries. In response to inquiries from the Vegetarian Journal, however, McDonald's did acknowledge that it's fries derive some of their characteristic flavor from 'animal products'.

At the moment, vegetarians often have no way of knowing whether a flavor additive contains beef, pork, poultry or shellfish. One of the most widely used color additives - whose presence is often hidden by the phrase 'color added' - violates a number of religious dietary restrictions, may cause allergic reactions in susceptible people, and comes from an unusual source. Cochineal extract (also known as carmine or carminic acid) is made from the dessicated bodies of female Dactlyopius coccus Costa, a small insect harvested mainly in Peru and the Canary Islands. The bug feeds on red cactus berries accumulated in the females and their unhatched larvae. The insects are collected, dried, and ground into pigment. It takes about 70,000 of them to process one pound of carmine, which is used to make processed foods look pink, red or purple.

Carmine (pronounced /ˈkɑrmɪn/ or /ˈkɑrmaɪn/), also called Crimson Lake, Cochineal, Natural Red 4, C.I. 75470, or E120, is a pigment of a bright red color obtained from the carminic acid produced by some scale insects, such as the cochineal and the Polish cochineal, and is used as a general term for a particularly deep red color of the same name. Carmine is used in the manufacture of artificial flowers, paints, crimson ink, rouge, and other cosmetics, and is routinely added to food products such as yogurt and certain brands of juice, most notably those of the ruby-red variety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine

Many of the popular 'brand name' products use carmine to color their yogurt, frozen fruit bars, candies, fruit fillings and juices.

Yes.

You read this correctly.

Ground up insects are added as color.

GRAS. Generally Regarded As Safe, even if gross, and a violation of one's personal beliefs, religious or otherwise, regarding other life forms.

[Graybeard]

So beetles are out for vegans ?

greg

[labelwench]

There is a huge difference in the diets of VEGANS and VEGETARIANS and there are several variants in what classifies as vegetarian, Greg.

The following summary is designed to clearly delineate the difference between Vegans and Vegetarians.

Again vegan avoids consuming all foods of animal origin, including eggs, dairy, gelatin and honey. Also refrains from wearing animal products, such as leather shoes or wool and silk clothes.

While a lacto-vegetarian like me will eat dairy products but not eggs and an ovo-vegetarian will eat eggs and dairy.

Vegans must watch out for foods which contain animal substances. Below is a list of things vegans should look out for:

* albumen/albumin: egg white. Use/s: food binder
* alpha hydroxy acids (AHAs): naturally occurring chemicals derived from fruit or milk. Use/s: cosmetics
* ambergris: morbid concretion obtained from the intestine of the sperm whale. Use/s: perfumes
* amniotic fluid: fluid surrounding the foetus within the placenta. Use/s: cosmetics
* anchovy: small fish of the herring family. Often an ingredient of Worcester sauce and pizza toppings. Use/s: flavor enhancer
* angora: fiber obtained from rabbits or goats. Use/s: clothing
* aspic: jelly derived from meat and fish. Use/s: glazing agent
* astrakhan: skin of still born or very young lambs from a breed originating in Astrakhan, Russia. Use/s: clothing
* bristle: stiff animal hair, usually from pigs. Use/s: brushes
* casein: Ammonium Caseinate. Calcium Caseinate. Potassium Caseinate. Sodium Caseinate. The principle protein of cow’s milk. Use/s: texturizer for ice cream, frozen custard, ice milk, fruit sherbets, and in special diet preparations.
* cashmere: fine wool from the cashmere goat and wild goat of Tibet. Use/s: clothing
* castoreum: obtained from the sex gland of the . Use/s: fixative in perfumes
* catgut: dried and twisted intestines of the sheep or horse. Use/s: stringed musical instruments, surgical stitching
* caviar: roe of the sturgeon and other fish. Use/s: a relish
* chitin: organic base of the hard parts of insects and crustacea eg shrimps, crabs. Use/s: conditioners and skin care products, thickener and moisturiser in shampoos
* chamois: soft leather from the skin of the chamois antelope, sheep, goats, deer, etc. Use/s: cleaning cloth
* cochineal (E120): dye-stuff consisting of the dried bodies of scale insects. Use/s: red food and drink colouring
* cod liver oil: oil extracted from the liver of cod and related fish. Use/s: food supplement
* D3 (cholecalciferol): vitamin derived from lanolin or fish oil. Use/s: vitamin and food supplements
* down: underplummage of fowls (especially duck and goose). Use/s: filling quilts, pillows, sleeping bags, padded clothing
* eider down: small, soft feathers from the breast of the eider duck. Use/s: filling quilts
* elastin: protein uniting muscle fibres in meat. Use/s: moisturiser in cosmetics
* gelatin: jelly obtained by boiling animal tissues (skin, tendons, ligaments etc) or bones. Use/s: confectionery, biscuits, capsules, jellies, photographic film, match heads
* glycerin/glycerol (E422): clear, colourless liquid which may be derived from animal fats, synthesised from propylene or from fermentation of sugars. Use/s: solvent for flavours, texture improver, humectant
* hide: animal skin (raw or tanned). Use/s: clothing and footwear, clothing accessories, upholstery
* isinglass: very pure form of gelatin obtained from the air bladders of some freshwater fishes, especially the sturgeon. Use/s: clarifying alcoholic drinks, jellies
* keratin: protein found in hair, horns, hoofs and feathers. Use/s: shampoos and conditioners, fertilizer
* L’cysteine hydrochloride (E920): manufactured from animal hair and chicken feathers, or synthetically from coal tar. Use/s: shampoo, improving agent for white flour
* lactose: milk sugar. Use/s: tablet filler, sweetener, ‘carrier’ for flavouring agents &emdash; especially in crisps
* lanolin: fat extracted from sheep’s wool. Use/s: cleaning products, an emollient and emulsifer used in cosmetics & emdash; especially lipsticks
* lard: fat surrounding the stomach and kidneys of the pig, sheep and cattle. Use/s: culinary
* leather: tanned hide (mostly from cattle but also sheep, pigs, goats etc). Use/s: clothing and footwear, clothing accessories, upholstery
* lecithin (E322): fatty substance found in nerve tissues, egg yolk, blood and other tissues. Use/s: emulsifier in baked goods and confectionery
* lutein(E161(b)): substance of deep yellow colour found in egg yolk. Use/s: food colouring
* mohair: cloth or yarn made from the hair of the angora goat. Use/s: clothing
* musk: substance secreted in a gland or sac by the male musk deer. Use/s: perfume
* oleoic oil: liquid obtained from pressed tallow. Use/s: margarines
* oleostearin: solid obtained from pressed tallow. Use/s: soap and candle making
* oestrogen: female sex hormone from cow ovaries or pregnant mares’ urine. Use/s: cosmetics, body building supplements, hormone creams
* pearl (‘Mother of’, or ‘cultured’): concretion of layers of pain-dulling nacre formed around a foreign particle within the shell of various bivalve molluscs, principally the oyster. Use/s: jewelry and decorative
* pepsin: enzyme found in gastric juices. Use/s: cheese making
* placenta: organ by which the foetus is attached to the umbilical cord. Use/s: cosmetics
* progesterone: sex hormone. Use/s: hormone creams
* propolis: bee glue. Used by bees to stop up crevices and fix combs to the hive. Use/s: toiletries and cosmetics
* rennet: extract of calf stomach. Contains the enzyme renin which clots milk. Use/s: cheese making, junkets
* roe eggs: obtained from the abdomen of slaughtered female fish. Use/s: a relish
* sable: fur from the sable marten, a small carnivorous mammal. Use/s: clothing, artists’ brushes
* shellac (E904): insect secretion. Use/s: hair spray, lip sealer, polishes, glazing agent
* silk: cloth made from the fibre produced by the larvae (‘silk worm’) of certain bombycine moths, the harvesting of which entails the destruction of the insect. Use/s: clothing, cosmetics
* sodium 5′-inosinate: occurs naturally in muscle. Prepared from fish waste. Use/s: flavour enhancer
* sperm oil: oil found in the head of various species of whales. Use/s: candle making
* spermaceti wax: fatty substance found mainly in the head of the sperm whale, other whales and dolphins. Use/s: medicines, candle making, cosmetics
* sponge: aquatic animal or colony of animals of a ‘low order’, characterised by a tough elastic skeleton of interlaced fibres. Use/s. bathing aid
* squalene/squalane: found in the liver of the shark (and rats). Use/s: toiletries and cosmetics
* stearate: salt of stearic acid Use/s: body building supplements
* stearic acid (E570): organic acid prepared from stearin
* stearin(e): general name for the three glycerids (monostearin, distearin, tristearin). Formed by the combination of stearic acid and glycerin; chiefly applied to tristearin, which is the main constituent of tallow or suet. Use/s: medicines, skin softener in toiletries and cosmetics
* suede: kid-, pig- or calf-skin, tanned. Use/s: clothing and footwear
* suet: solid fat prepared from the kidneys of cattle and sheep. Use/s: cooking
* tallow: hard animal fat, especially that obtained from the parts about the kidneys of ruminating animals. Use/s: soap and candle making
* testosterone: male hormone. Use/s: body building supplements
* urea: waste nitrogen formed in the liver and excreted by the kidneys. Use/s: toiletries and cosmetics
* vellum: fine parchment prepared from the skins of calves, lambs or kids. Use/s: writing material
* vitamin A (retinol): derived from fish liver oil or egg yolk. Use/s: cosmetics, food supplement
* volaise: ostrich meat
* whey: residue from milk after the removal of the casein and most of the fat. By-product of cheese making. Use/s: margarines, biscuits, crisps, cleaning products
* wool: hair forming the fleecy coat of the domesticated sheep (and similar animals). Use/s: clothing

[Graybeard]

To me ..... it just says how silly these delineations are ... at what molecular point do the differences disappear and become one ?

cool bananas ... greg

[labelwench]

To me ..... it just says how silly these delineations are ... at what molecular point do the differences disappear and become one ?

cool bananas ... greg

That persons are able to choose such delineations is the point of interest to me, and that we have such ample evidence of 'choice' in how we engage with our environment at the molecular level of biological function is quite fascinating, IMO.

The issue of freedom of choice is anything but silly to me.

As another observation, I understand that an area of Australia that is equal in size to the province of British Columbia, has been submerged by flood waters.

We have had 5 days of `Chinook`weather in Yukon, slated to end this evening, returning to colder winter temperatures, an anomaly that I have much enjoyed.

[Graybeard]

That persons are able to choose such delineations is the point of interest to me, and that we have such ample evidence of 'choice' in how we engage with our environment at the molecular level of biological function is quite fascinating, IMO.

The issue of freedom of choice is anything but silly to me.

The issue may not be ... but to refuse cake because a molecular substance that colours and flavours it was once part of a beetle is silly ?

As another observation, I understand that an area of Australia that is equal in size to the province of British Columbia, has been submerged by flood waters.

In fact ... my area. I have been unable to get to the mountain for the last four weeks ... but friday I got thru ... fearing that all the excavation work would be ruined and need to be done again. But .... It was great .... the cutting and road suffered no damage at all ..... What with four weeks of rain, no sun, and worrying about the mountain excavations I was getting depressed. My problems.

Not everyone was so lucky ... in fact the food crops are destroyed and major cities are underwater .... check 'Rockhampton' and 'Emerald' .....

cool bananas ... greg