Vegetarianism is a Higher level View

[mohanh]

Hey there. I am a meat lover. Although I have no problem with vegans, I kind of don't get why they choose to be. I mean of course this excludes all the people who are not allowed to eat meat because of their religion. But as for those who are just self-proclaimed vegetarians, why? Our body needs the meat. As for the animals, they way I see it, our creator - whichever religion you are a part of - has created them for our survival and body nourishment.

[mkirkpatrick]

Hey there. I am a meat lover. Although I have no problem with vegans, I kind of don't get why they choose to be. I mean of course this excludes all the people who are not allowed to eat meat because of their religion. But as for those who are just self-proclaimed vegetarians, why? Our body needs the meat. As for the animals, they way I see it, our creator - whichever religion you are a part of - has created them for our survival and body nourishment.

Hello and welcome Mohanh to the toequest forum,hope you enjoy it here as much as we all do,I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and was very healthy on a diet of fruit,veg,nuts,and pulses,my "downfall" back into eating meat was the smell of bacon frying in the pan! I could not then resist having a bacon sandwich! that was a while ago now,I am once again considering going back to this non meat diet as i still feel it is more natural and healthier than meat eating is.Each one of us of course must decide whats best for them.

regards michael.

[labelwench]

Hey there. I am a meat lover. Although I have no problem with vegans, I kind of don't get why they choose to be. I mean of course this excludes all the people who are not allowed to eat meat because of their religion. But as for those who are just self-proclaimed vegetarians, why? Our body needs the meat. As for the animals, they way I see it, our creator - whichever religion you are a part of - has created them for our survival and body nourishment.

Hello mohanh, and welcome to the forum.

There are many reasons why people choose to become vegans. For one of my friends, it was a matter of economics in that meat was quite expensive compared to veggies and pantry staples. For some it is respect for other intelligent life forms. It is very hard to take the life from and eat the meat of a calf you have hand raised or a chick that you have incubated and hatched out. Most persons are considerably distanced from their meat supply in today's world, but some still run a mixed farm.

In my opinion, more people are physically intolerant of wheat, corn and dairy than have any digestive issues with most meat, save processed meats which contain a myriad of additional ingredients, of which at least several are suspect for impacts on human health.

The amount of resources that are required to produce a pound of meat are considerable, and so some people consider the choice of a vegetarian lifestyle to be helpful to the environment and a better trade off when the true cost of growing food is evaluated.

A few more perspectives for you to contemplate, and for the record, I eat some meat in my diet. I have hunted small game, and raised rabbits for meat, laying hens and once raised a piglet, which we named 'Pork Chop', lest we lose track of the purpose of our labor and investment. I am capable of raising, dispatching, dressing, cooking and eating another life form, from the position of respect, and knowing that we all arise from and return to nature, the source which nurtures all.

As for the animals, they way I see it, our creator - whichever religion you are a part of - has created them for our survival and body nourishment.

Please excuse me for for chuckling at this remark of yours. I rather expect that such is exactly what Polar Bears think about humans. (Polar Bears are the only bear than is not in the least afraid of humans and regards them as potential prey. Most Grizzly and Black Bears will usually not seek confrontation unless cubs or a kill are involved.)

Many factors affect our choices of what we eat and perhaps you would gain insight by asking a few vegans or vegetarians to explain the reasons for their choices to you.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks labelwench for you last post,I am intolerant of wheat and have to watch what I eat,in particular when out in resturants etc,was a veggie for about 20 years then fell foul of a bacon sandwich! I dont feel comfortable eating meat anymore so I guess i will stop and become veggie again,the way animals are kept and dispatched for food is heartbreaking to say the least.

regards michael.

[labelwench]

There is endless debate on the topic of vegetarianism versus omnivorous diets, and as I enjoy a meal of Gala apple (product of US), raspberries (my own), walnuts (California, USA), sliced almonds (USA) and Greek Style French Vanilla Yogurt (Delta, B.C.) the costs of the energy to produce and transport this food to market comes to mind, as well as the sweat equity of all who have labored to get this food from point of origin to the shelf, through the till and finally to my own home.

The cost of food, any type of food, and our activities of it's sourcing and supply, are as much of concern to me as whether my food once breathed air, when I contemplate the matter.

[RascalPuff]

Good thread, MJA - thought provoking and consciousness raising.

Just stopping by to remind folks of Upton Sinclair's, "The Jungle".

It's a heckuvva wake up call about a lot of what's subjected here.

It's about a lot of injustices - and the greed of the corporate state - really, with emphasis on unnecessary violence and suffering, industrially imposed upon animals, and poor people.

Sinclair's book has been around for a long time - it did strike the American Public in such a way as to require the germane 'food industry' to dispense with a lot of their avoidable cruelty.

At age 70, I recall a time when all the large cities and small towns of the U.S., enjoyed the railroad shipment of beef on the hoof, to what was known as 'the local stockyards', where the animals were slaughtered and then dressed out and distributed to butchers and Mom & Pop stores, often without ever being frozen - the transition from stockyard arrival and slaughtering and dressing and distributing was so expedient.

Of course, now the entire method of distributiing meat products has been 'streamlined', especially via the axis of the nation's source of beef and pork products, particularly out of *Greely, Colorado, where *tens of thousands of animals are 'processed' daily and nationally distributed.

[MJA]

Please don't kill and eat animals, they are more equal than you think.
Wisdom is too.

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[melanie]

Please don't kill and eat animals, they are more equal than you think.
Wisdom is too.

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Here is some wisdom .... ''if you see the buddha on the road kill him''

So don't worry about the cows and chickens woody.....I'VE ALREADY KILLED THEM!

[MJA]

It is obvious to me that you are lost and have a very long Way to go.
A vegatarian diet might help you find a better Way.
Animals are not for killing, life is for living,
Be One too,
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[melanie]

No I'm not lost woody, my post was esoteric in nature, as are most of my posts, but you didn't understand its meaning from a meata level, I mean meta-level.But then I wasn't expecting you to.Sorry it was not in good taste, I do admit that. You see when you see the buddha on the street it is like meating yourself, but as you keep saying there is only ONE. So if there is only ONE then nothing is being harmed? It's a mis steak to make fun of the seriousness of your thread woody. I was just ribbing you.I hope you have no beef with me about it.Why not just chill out and liver little, my joke was just a load of old tripe.I tried vegetarianism for a few years, but then returned to my old eating rabbits again, shame on me, I will probably get the chop for this disgusting post.