The missing link of The Theory of Everything.

[theunify]

Could it be possible that we have yet to find the theory of everything because we are missing an important step from current physics to the higher level physics of a new world?
I want forum members to consider that there is a missing link yet to be discovered in science that brings us closer to a theory of everything, before this takes place discuss the possibility that the theory of everything is unfathomable to today's greatest minds unless this missing link is found, and what if any possibilities are there for explaining a link, i.e. dark matter, string theory, or chance occurences such as life on another planet.

[labelwench]

Know Thy Self.

We have split the atom, and put men on the moon.

We have examined particles far smaller than the atom, and looked far beyond the nearest solar system.

Yet we still have only a rudimentary idea of how our own biology, particularly the mind functions.

Consciousness, when understood at the level of physics (and I may be using the wrong terminology, as I am not a scientist), will yield the answer.

From our consciousness comes creativity.

We are becoming increasingly creative.

For the most part, we create and recreate with that which already exists.

We are a small piece of a whole, examining, I would suggest, the wrong details.

'It is the space between the bars that holds the cage'.

Interesting thread start.

[theunify]

I was thinking more like a scientific theory because this is a science-based discussion.

Empirical is defined as something which can be observed and recorded in it's properties, consciousness lacks any empirical means of being described.

Perhaps you are using the wrong words to describe the missing link, it seems what you are hinting at is intelligence of a higher order than we know of, artificial maybe, that is very interesting or perhaps a change in world veiws in terms of freedom, religion, government and life itself, could longer life be the link?

~theunify

[labelwench]

Could it be possible that we have yet to find the theory of everything because we are missing an important step from current physics to the higher level physics of a new world?
I want forum members to consider that there is a missing link yet to be discovered in science that brings us closer to a theory of everything, before this takes place discuss the possibility that the theory of everything is unfathomable to today's greatest minds unless this missing link is found, and what if any possibilities are there for explaining a link, i.e. dark matter, string theory, or chance occurences such as life on another planet.

Empirical is defined as something which can be observed and recorded in it's properties, consciousness lacks any empirical means of being described. Originally posted by theunify

Present science lacks the empirical means to measure consciousness with any preciseness.

That may be subject to change.

Science is forever redefining itself.



My reply was directed to your choice of words that I have highlighted.

My mistake.

I withdraw from this discussion.

[theunify]

Present science lacks the empirical means to measure consciousness with any preciseness.

That may be subject to change.

Science is forever redefining itself.



My reply was directed to your choice of words that I have highlighted.

My mistake.

I withdraw from this discussion.

Maybe you can build on the thought and tackle the rest of the question? I would like to hear what you have to say.

~theunify

[labelwench]

I was thinking more like a scientific theory because this is a science-based discussion.

Empirical is defined as something which can be observed and recorded in it's properties, consciousness lacks any empirical means of being described.

Perhaps you are using the wrong words to describe the missing link, it seems what you are hinting at is intelligence of a higher order than we know of, artificial maybe, that is very interesting or perhaps a change in world veiws in terms of freedom, religion, government and life itself, could longer life be the link?

~theunify

Maybe you can build on the thought and tackle the rest of the question? I would like to hear what you have to say.

~theunify

All scientific theory is a construct of the human mind expressed through the use of language and formulas, likewise constructs of the human mind.

Where from comes a single thought, that such can be woven into so many detailed constructs?

A great many details......but do we know a single, verifiable, unchanging thing?

Your perspective might prove of interest.

[Graybeard]

All scientific theory is a construct of the human mind expressed through the use of language and formulas, likewise constructs of the human mind.

Where from comes a single thought, that such can be woven into so many detailed constructs?

A great many details......but do we know a single, verifiable, unchanging thing?

Your perspective might prove of interest.

Yes ... We do know many verifiable unchanging things. Things that would hold true, do hold true, independent of whether we are here or not. Whether we had thoughts or not.

They are not constructs of the human mind, but have an independent existence. (and what is true for one, becomes true for all). This, of course, is if you are using the words 'Scientific Theory' to broadly denote the eternal verities.

IMO, to refer to the human mind as the observer creating the observed is to place ourselves on a pedestal that has no base foundation, excepting that which it supports.

cool bananas ... greg

The idea of an incarnation of Mind is absurd: why should the human race think itself so superior to bees, ants, and elephants as to be put in this unique relation to the Universe?... Humans are like a council of frogs in a marsh or a synod of worms on a dung-hill croaking and squeaking "for our sakes, and by our witness, was the Cosmos born."

- Julian the Apostate (modified by greg ... )

[labelwench]

Yes ... We do know many verifiable unchanging things. Things that would hold true, do hold true, independent of whether we are here or not. Whether we had thoughts or not.

They are not constructs of the human mind, but have an independent existence. (and what is true for one, becomes true for all). This, of course, is if you are using the words 'Scientific Theory' to broadly denote the eternal verities.

IMO, to refer to the human mind as the observer creating the observed is to place ourselves on a pedestal that has no base foundation, excepting that which it supports.

cool bananas ... greg

I am not one who believes our species to be particularly clever or unique, yourself excepted, lol.

Scientific Theory is a mental construct and just another theory.

How would you verify your comments above, were you not here and had no thoughts?

That's the kind of proof that might prove interesting.....

[Graybeard]

How would you verify your comments above, were you not here and had no thoughts?

If I was not here, and therefore by default, had no thoughts .... the Laws of Physics would still apply.

The fact that they could not be uttered changes nothing ??

cool bananas ... greg

[labelwench]

No. I do not agree with your coy summary.

Constructs describing concepts, does not a winning argument make.

We have a myriad of details, yet we have missed the mark.

I leave you scientific sorts to chase your tails. Should a proof on anything interesting be found, the world will soon know.

Have fun, lol....