An Idea in Awareness.

[melanie]

Is it atoms that make home, families, friends, and chats about the wonders of nature and all the rest or did we derive atoms and Pluto in order to keep the rest of the story going?

Does STEVE know this... or is 'steve' part of the known?

seeing colour plainly 'is'... now... is this 'seeing/colour' mediated by any thought or idea... or is it simply a 'bare fact'... and thus not a 'matter of belief'?

and what of the other 'senses/sensations'?

and what of 'number' 'form' and 'meaning'... are these not 'known'?

thinking there are any other 'consciousnesses' 'out there'.. well that is just another 'thought'... another 'belief'...

THIS is all there is... and 'This' is no 'thing' at all...

for this capacity to see cannot be seen (except as 'colour')...
and this capacity to hear cannot be heard (except as 'sound')...
and this capacity to feel cannot be felt (except as 'feelings')...
and this capacity to smelled cannot be smelled (except as 'odour')
and this capacity to taste cannot be tasted (except as flavour)...

nor can this capacity to know ever be known (except as idea)...



invisible, intangible, inaudible, without perfume or flavour... unknowable... am I... who read these very words... creating their appearance now...

speaking 'metaphorically'... I am author and reader both... and the book as well...

yet I am no 'thing' at all... inconceivable am I...

I seem to be STEVE... only as the sensations and ideas arise to 'paint' 'images of the world' and 'thoughts' and 'feelings' that make it appear 'I am steve, experiencing the world from his perspective'...

there is no 'being' in the universe... except 'imaginary beings'...

every 'thing'... including 'steve' and all the 'people' posting on this forum... indeed, the whole universe... is a matter of 'belief'...

I am 'non-being' seeming to 'be'...

I am Life itself... eternal and unchanging...

[Meem]

Math does not exist. One would be hard pressed to venture out anywhere into the universe, and observe a one ... let alone a two, three, or four. One can have … one of anything, even two or three, but never a one or two “itself.” “Crikey, these are very elusive creatures indeed. This six seem like'ah angry fella, he might bite me. It's a good thing we have the seven anti-venom ready to go.”

So it reasons that formulas which are complexities of numbers, or math ... is quite a stretch. But I do believe Mr. Hawking covered that on into the universe. Perhaps, there is a universe somewhere out there where the "laws of physics" are quite different than the those of our own universe, and all the one's, two's, and three's are having this conversation about us humans. Of course, which they use to come to an understanding of how things work. Hold on, I think Battlestar Galactica covered that. But that poor poor Zero, is always left out even if he is included, because he is a no-thing. Philosophy 101, see he doesn't exist, but we insist on using him. Poor guy, so misunderstood.

Understanding, that does exist. And thank God for hot showers. Whatever pieces of understanding that come my way, I hope I am able to realize them … mostly the small bits. Maybe I should have gotten into particle physics (ha!).

[leskey]

Hi Mel.

The hierachical and ordering Laws of Physics and Nature, and the Genetic Code aren't ideas.

Naivity, innocence, wonder, beauty, altruism, holism, dignity, integrity, grace, love are all idea(l)s which, when consciously considered, engender a spirit of co-operation and order.

Knowledge without the genuine spirit of co-operation (conscience), conspires to alienate, debase and deny all that is innately ideal...and,by its very nature, engenders devisiveness.

[Meem]

Mel,

I have know idea who or what I am, and I am ok with that. Mostly in-part to what I know I am not. The eye, which eye am, is. Eye am not the great eye am. If eye could be, eye'd fear that sort of responsibilty. But then again, eye might have a misunderstanding of what that could encompass. Eye think perhaps what has been there error of many eyes, is confusing their emotion, their eyes for God's. Which they might be technically never the less, but that's another eye-dea all together.

The last time eye tried to ponder God, eye thought, "if God knows all, past present future, would God even experience emotion like eye do?" Could he experience the dleight of a pleasent surprise? Eye don't know, a part of me says, it would seem reasonable that God would. And this seems accurate to me, then the human that eye am, gets all of my own experience confused into God's somehow.

Eye don't see, how people can think they do not exist, do not have eyes to see, and do not know they are their own, but a part never the less. Self aware illusions realizing they are illusions is a bit of a paradox.

[leskey]

Math does not exist. One would be hard pressed to venture out anywhere into the universe, and observe a one ... let alone a two, three, or four. One can have … one of anything, even two or three, but never a one or two “itself.” “Crikey, these are very elusive creatures indeed. This six seem like'ah angry fella, he might bite me. It's a good thing we have the seven anti-venom ready to go.”

So it reasons that formulas which are complexities of numbers, or math ... is quite a stretch. But I do believe Mr. Hawking covered that on into the universe. Perhaps, there is a universe somewhere out there where the "laws of physics" are quite different than the those of our own universe, and all the one's, two's, and three's are having this conversation about us humans. Of course, which they use to come to an understanding of how things work. Hold on, I think Battlestar Galactica covered that. But that poor poor Zero, is always left out even if he is included, because he is a no-thing. Philosophy 101, see he doesn't exist, but we insist on using him. Poor guy, so misunderstood.

Understanding, that does exist. And thank God for hot showers. Whatever pieces of understanding that come my way, I hope I am able to realize them … mostly the small bits. Maybe I should have gotten into particle physics (ha!).

It could be said that the universe is the embodiment of what we label as, 'mathematics'?

[Meem]

It could be said that the universe is the embodiment of what we label as, 'mathematics'?

Being that all of its structure can be understood and predicted, yes. Pa-te-toe, pa-tat-toe ... math, can lead to understanding, but is not necessarily a given. Take those really big "impossible stars" which have made the news recently. From what we think we understand with our math, they are impossible ... and obviously, they aren't. We are misunderstood. Of course, the "devil's advocate" could say, "it's only because our math is still developing from incomplete data," or something like that. Something we do not understand is the eternal. If it's this one, or not, I am willing to take a leap of faith and say, since this one is here ... I am certain there will always at least be one, or we would not be here to begin with. As far as the conditions prior to an estimated ... 14 billion years ago (lets just say 20), "some-thing" had to be there from the understanding of math/logic, or we wouldn't be here now. Perhaps it was George Carlin's "big electron." "Woaaaaah, woaaah, woah."

I'm not certain that if I were to entertain far more “advanced” civilizations, or states of being, that there is a finite answer. I am not willing to rule out that possibility. Today, endless possibilities lay before me, but ... ultimately ... one "course" will unfold.

[Graybeard]

Yes, but the knower of the moon story is just the dreamer, and who is the dreamer but the dream itself.

Once I thought I saw you
in a crowded hazy bar,
Dancing on the light
from star to star.
Far across the moonbeam
I know that's who you are,
I saw your brown eyes
turning once to fire.

You are like a hurricane
There's calm in your eye.
And I'm gettin' blown away
To somewhere safer
where the feeling stays.
I want to love you but
I'm getting blown away.

I am just a dreamer,
but you are just a dream,

CLICK


cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

The last time eye tried to ponder God, eye thought, "if God knows all, past present future, would God even experience emotion like eye do?" Could he experience the dleight of a pleasent surprise? Eye don't know, a part of me says, it would seem reasonable that God would. And this seems accurate to me, then the human that eye am, gets all of my own experience confused into God's somehow.

There is no God, except in this conception.
God is a thought, a concept/idea.
Where is the 'eye' 'I' that claims to believe in God?

'thoughts' appear...

until they appear.. is there any awareness of the thought?
if not... how can it be changed before it arises... and can any thought be changed after it has arisen?
if not... how can any mental construct be changed... and by whom?

each thought is as it is... as it arises...

in apparently looking back... it may appear that the patterns of thought have changed 'over time'... but this cannot be due to any control by 'thought'...

apart from thoughts and feelings and 'experiences'... what is God?

I am non-being... seeming to be.

Is there really, truly nothing known? only number form and meaning is known...

awareness is not known... it cannot be conceived of in terms of number form or meaning...
I have no idea 'what' or 'how' 'awareness' 'is'... only 'that' it is...

that seeing/colour 'is'
that hearing/sound 'is'
that feeling/feelings 'is'
that tasting/flavours 'is'
that smelling/odours 'is'
that knowing/number/form/meaning 'is'
that power/controlling 'is'

but what these are... of this I have no idea...

Eye don't see, how people can think they do not exist, do not have eyes to see, and do not know they are their own, but a part never the less. Self aware illusions realizing they are illusions is a bit of a paradox.

The paradox is apparent, but there is no paradox.
Because there is no self, only as an idea.

Who is seeing?? read my post 10,000 times.

You do exist, but only as an idea.
You do not see, you are the seen.
You are no-thing (the unseen) / being some thing (the seen) but still these are ideas arising from no-thing.
There is no separation between the seen and the seer, dreamer and the dream.
There is no objective reality ''out-there'' it appears here within awareness, the ''out-there'' is a projection of ''in-here''
Even the in and the out only exist as an idea.
Apparent objective reality is an imaged impression of the imageless pure presence awareness,
a thought arises in the mind an aspect of awareness
and in that same moment it is imaged/ and known in the instant it arises one with the knowing.

All there is - is awareness. Everything appears in awareness.
Ideas about who or what or anything else also appear in awareness.
That awareness is what you are.

There is only ONE here.

and because not even ONE THING could exist

there is NOBODY HOME

All other apparent others, are the one looking at itself - as and through the hall of mirrors, reflections of 'me' the I AM

All equal to ZERO

Welcome to the dream.


I've rushed this post, so if it don't make sense - never mind.

Don't make sense, war is over when mind is over.

Nothing is required. You already ARE.
BEING is happening.
The content of mind arises on its own.
No one is doing it.
That's its function.
The "I" is a thought story, that's all.
Will what you ARE still BE if that story is no longer believed in?


Keep asking yourself who AM I ?

Absolute freedom lets bondage free.

[leskey]

I'm a part of all that is apparent...and not...a pixel in the whole kaleidescopic maelstrom of experience, while anchored to the calm around which it necessarily rages.

[melanie]

I'm a part of all that is apparent...and not...a pixel in the whole kaleidescopic maelstrom of experience, while anchored to the calm around which it necessarily rages.

All that exist is the conceptual mind.

Even 'Conceptual Mind'... is a concept formed of concepts.

'Wholeness'... too is a concept... but only if I think about it.

Wholeness is an attempt by oneness to refer to itself.



Concepts are nowhere to be found... except in idea... in this dark unknown Knowing.

Until suddenly again - here 'they' are... made apparent through sensation..