mind blowing thought

[melanie]

When you have a thought, are you inside the thought? or...is the thought inside you?

[Meem]

I am thought, to have thought, and have 'thunk.' I'm not so sure, I am thought or 'thunked.'
I am, a free thought, I think. Shhh, the universe is listening.

[melanie]

It is necessary to understand that I Am,

In order that I may know that I Am Not,

So that, at last,

I may realize that,

I Am Not,

therefore I Am.

~


Wei Wu Wei

[SteveA]

When you have a thought, are you inside the thought? or...is the thought inside you?

I'd assume that things of a specific form are constructed by thought and in this case thoughts and it exist with the same space (not necessarily encompassed by either), but that the source of such thoughts, "wherever" that is would be permeate all that and appear to exist beyond and encompassing it as well.

So I guess it depends on the context of which version of "you" is considered. Any version of it known to be of a specific form would/could be encompassed by thought.

Then again, it isn't all specifically thought either as experiences can contain things that wouldn't easily fall into the category of thought.

As you've pointed out before, a rather neutral awareness is more "encompassing" of experience - the "passive" observer. I assume attention is where the (inter)active components begin, though there could also be the equivalent of subconscious influences that lie beyond awareness (except these could probably be ignored - if they were truly subconscious, then it would appear we could not even have a conception of them in any form, so in a(n ironic) sense, subconsciousness is even a conscious conception).

[labelwench]

When you have a thought, are you inside the thought? or...is the thought inside you?

To answer that question, one would first have to determine precisely what 'thought' is.

The precise mechanism by which the brain performs all of it's biological and mechanical processes is still not completely understood.

Most 'thought' would seem to arise from the input of our senses as processed by the brain/body and yet at other times, 'thought' seemingly occurs without an awareness of any related input, spontaneously, whether from prior sensory input that has co-lated over time, or perhaps triggered by a mechanism we are unaware of or have yet to identify.

Speaking only for myself, as analytically as possible for a subjective being, my 'ordered thought process' 'feels' like it is occurring inside my brain/biology, and at other times, the spontaneous thoughts do not seem to derive from my internal processes but may be triggered by the bio-magnetic energy of other living things, near or at a distance.

Our bodies are capable of detecting sounds, vibrations and energy fields that our conscious brain may not be intentionally monitoring for, IMO.

[SteveA]

To answer that question, one would first have to determine precisely what 'thought' is.

The precise mechanism by which the brain performs all of it's biological and mechanical processes is still not completely understood.

Most 'thought' would seem to arise from the input of our senses as processed by the brain/body and yet at other times, 'thought' seemingly occurs without an awareness of any related input, spontaneously, whether from prior sensory input that has co-lated over time, or perhaps triggered by a mechanism we are unaware of or have yet to identify.

Speaking only for myself, as analytically as possible for a subjective being, my 'ordered thought process' 'feels' like it is occurring inside my brain/biology, and at other times, the spontaneous thoughts do not seem to derive from my internal processes but may be triggered by the bio-magnetic energy of other living things, near or at a distance.

Our bodies are capable of detecting sounds, vibrations and energy fields that our conscious brain may not be intentionally monitoring for, IMO.

I agree that some thoughts seem like old familiar ones that arise from just lots of experiences and "mental work" in a sense but there are other thoughts that seem to arise more creatively or spontaneously. On one hand they feel like they've always been there to some extent in the background, like subconscious influences but on the other hand they also feel like something beyond my "normal" thought process and I have no idea how that creative process occurs. There are associations between things that can come to mind very quickly or new conceptual structures that can be put together that I normally don't think I could have figured out any way to conceive of it beforehand.

I believe that all of those were effectively around the entire time, but were operating more subconsciously and in effect consciousness is an exploration of that (though it could also be that consciousness is something that can be layered upon itself to construct more complex ideas ... how that growth occurs though (assuming it is a growth, but it would seem it must be) is something that appears logic may simply not have the tools to describe). Logic appears to work great with "what is", but doesn't inherently count or tell anything about "what's next", so in that sense logic, memory and the past are very similar. Creativity, energy, growth and the future are more closely associated with the other side of this duality and I believe the present is similar to the interface between these as structure is continually altered by energy in the present.

[labelwench]

Further to the speculation of whether 'thought' is internal or external to our personal space (or possibly both) I have a tendency to direct my concentrated and formulated thoughts outward when I am in need of a solution to a problem which I may be currently unable to resolve with my own energies and experience.

Chuckle if you will, but it has yielded helpful results for me.

When I have a need, particularly as relates to the welfare of others beyond myself, (not to be confused with personal desires or speculations on winning the lottery, lol...) I mentally cast the problem toward the universe, expecting that the immeasurable energy field around me has more resources available than do I, and expecting that an answer will be reflected to me, in time, not always of my choosing.

I am not religious and I do not consider that I am impeaching the aid of a personal deity.

I sense that I am a part of the universe and that the resources I need are somewhere 'out there' if I but understand where to look and how to employ the energy of Fundamental Substance, which would also be the nature of 'thought', from my ponders.

There is a synergy involved in 'thought' and motion .......

[SteveA]

I've come to recognize that some problems are "slightly outside" my immediate ability to do anything about and yes, sometimes there's really not much choice except to just have some faith/hope that whatever keeps the place running won't fall through on some solution.

One of the main issues I encountered like this was regarding politics. Over the years I've come to think that most of the problems are really just man made and if people really wanted solutions, they're there already (and I best stop immediately on that subject) and it's best not to take a lot of complaints too seriously (whew, I almost went off on a political tangent again!! Close call, I almost fell for it again! LMAO).

I do see a lot of things similarly though - consider how many things in life, since birth, have been subject to the whim of whatever unknowns there are in the universe. There'd be little anyone could do if they were born in conditions where people were starving or if some natural disaster occured etc. and if we look around, well there's basically "food aplenty" (in fact a problem here is often with the overabundance of food ... I'm not complaining, but it's ironic that history can go from conditions in relative famine to feast and that, in itself, becomes the new "problem" ).

Anyway, it appears life is largely a process of learning and growth, though there can easily be things that no longer need to be learned and if there was some justice to it, I don't assume the universe should keep tossing the same problem over and over again unless there's truly something of value to it (despite the fact that few people have ever claimed life is fair, I've still got some expectations in that respect - there's no reason to have lots of random garbage happen and yes, I'd certainly file a complaint, given the opportunity, if that happened).

So yes, to an extent there are some things where it appears the solutions can lie a bit beyond ones immediate ability to do a lot about ... but times are always changing and who knows what the future holds. I've at least got my fingers crossed for some (continued) good weather and sunshine Some of the insights over the last year or so on this site (wow, has it been that long already?) definitely raise a lot of question marks and its definitely an area I'm interested in trying to piece together better.

[Meem]

The secret is out.

I found a picture of Melanie, with her mind blowing thought.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Tag, you're it. Mind blowing thought.

[SteveA]

Here's a site I thought might fit in line with this thread. It has a variety of interesting articles:

http://canweevolvenow.wordpress.com/...d-is-the-void/