at what a TOE can support this universe

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what even perhaps?
to start again?
or does only the universe support a TOE?
is it not indeed dangerous?

[SteveA]

I think there is fundamentally no more danger than the fact of ones own existence. Look at that - is it a danger or not? I don't believe the universe is inherently dangerous but simply the cost of doing business of anything desires something else.

Personally, I think the universe at a fundamentally level works just fine - the confusion is in all the translations and trying to recreate what, in many ways, is already done and works just fine.

I'd enjoy posting more thoughts to consider, but have got to run for now.

Basically, consider this simple thought - if a group of entities wanted to create a common space by sharing properties, what would they have to do? I think that's the cost of a universe - things that could be considered dangers would appear to arise from that desire, but it could be that those dangers don't actually exist but are problems in translation.

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true-until now everything appears to be just fine as far as we can tell and i agree there is no more danger but one own existence (in ending or
changing tragically)=as far as it concerns me it is already enough of a danger especially because i do look positive towards a toe being put
into practice somehow sometime soon - while waiting and death still present i just assume oneiric images and plots prepare for a next stage different and unknown - i do believe this planet earth is currently something very special and trust in helpers ...

[SteveA]

Consider this also - the properties of a space could be seen as defined by the properties of the objects within it. The least restrictive the property of a space is, the greater the volume of objects it can contain. The largest space is based upon the least restrictive principle - qualitatively, that's similar to say that the 'top dictator' is least influencial or most inclusive, that space could then be seen as continually subdivided into subspaces with greater constraints that add specific qualities to a space.

The constraints placed upon the specific environment/space that an object interacts with is determined by that object and its own properties and not by the environment/space - an apple is an apple and remains an apple despite any attempt to alter it. If something creates the appearance of an alteration to it, they're instead adding a constraint such that the apple appears altered, but fundamentally the apple never changed and nothing else must see the apple altered in the same manner.

As an example, if an apple falls from a tree and decays, its material qualities are still present and could become an apple again. The specific process(es) involved are a product of individual value(s). Yes, Earth is special because we made it so.

[labelwench]

what even perhaps?
to start again?
or does only the universe support a TOE?
is it not indeed dangerous?

What are your thoughts on Stephen Hawking's and Leonard Mlodinow's latest suggestion that there is no single TOE, that ours is just one of many universes that appeared spontaneously out of nothing, each with different laws of nature?

[labelwench]

true-until now everything appears to be just fine as far as we can tell and i agree there is no more danger but one own existence (in ending or
changing tragically)=as far as it concerns me it is already enough of a danger especially because i do look positive towards a toe being put
into practice somehow sometime soon - while waiting and death still present i just assume oneiric images and plots prepare for a next stage different and unknown - i do believe this planet earth is currently something very special and trust in helpers ...

I would agree that our planet is a very special place, and perhaps greatly under-appreciated by many who do not fully recognize this fact.

Are you able to add to what you mean by 'trust in helpers'?

[labelwench]

Consider this also - the properties of a space could be seen as defined by the properties of the objects within it. The least restrictive the property of a space is, the greater the volume of objects it can contain. The largest space is based upon the least restrictive principle - qualitatively, that's similar to say that the 'top dictator' is least influencial or most inclusive, that space could then be seen as continually subdivided into subspaces with greater constraints that add specific qualities to a space.

The constraints placed upon the specific environment/space that an object interacts with is determined by that object and its own properties and not by the environment/space - an apple is an apple and remains an apple despite any attempt to alter it. If something creates the appearance of an alteration to it, they're instead adding a constraint such that the apple appears altered, but fundamentally the apple never changed and nothing else must see the apple altered in the same manner.

As an example, if an apple falls from a tree and decays, its material qualities are still present and could become an apple again. The specific process(es) involved are a product of individual value(s). Yes, Earth is special because we made it so.

I have to call you on the apple example, Steve, as in my experience we do significantly alter a number of fruit and vegetable varieties by our intervention, and they do become different from the original where we are able to effect hybrids.

That they eventually decay into basic elements from which either of the originals may come forth, I do agree, and where nature accepts a new variant, then the third one may also continue true to it's 'new' or 'changed' form.

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Consider this also - the properties of a space could be seen as defined by the properties of the objects within it. The least restrictive the property of a space is, the greater the volume of objects it can contain. The largest space is based upon the least restrictive principle - qualitatively, that's similar to say that the 'top dictator' is least influencial or most inclusive, that space could then be seen as continually subdivided into subspaces with greater constraints that add specific qualities to a space.

The constraints placed upon the specific environment/space that an object interacts with is determined by that object and its own properties and not by the environment/space - an apple is an apple and remains an apple despite any attempt to alter it. If something creates the appearance of an alteration to it, they're instead adding a constraint such that the apple appears altered, but fundamentally the apple never changed and nothing else must see the apple altered in the same manner.

As an example, if an apple falls from a tree and decays, its material qualities are still present and could become an apple again. The specific process(es) involved are a product of individual value(s). Yes, Earth is special because we made it so.

very helpful your post to me! thanks!
thanks again! indeed!

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i do not really know much about thoughts/statements from hawking, etz. = nothing from such channels caught my real interest until now ...
at an end i only go for one universe additionally to me it seems to be active always ALL TIMES - it might have experienced different states =
even a big bang (but not that big bang)
a single toe? i guess it will be required to outline a single modern toe in time - once, twice, ... - i personally found my toe for today:
time-consuming delusional ideas [i am diagnosed f25.* (-]-->
by helpers overall i mean intelligent entities not being humans alive on planet earth currently : an ant from africa ... an eti from another
galaxy ... a machine more canting than a galaxy ... god - to me god is the complete universe = that includes myself and you labelwench ... i
guess you cannot fool god on the really long run!

[labelwench]

i do not really know much about thoughts/statements from hawking, etz. = nothing from such channels caught my real interest until now ...
at an end i only go for one universe additionally to me it seems to be active always ALL TIMES - it might have experienced different states =
even a big bang (but not that big bang)
a single toe? i guess it will be required to outline a single modern toe in time - once, twice, ... - i personally found my toe for today:
time-consuming delusional ideas [i am diagnosed f25.* (-]-->
by helpers overall i mean intelligent entities not being humans alive on planet earth currently : an ant from africa ... an eti from another
galaxy ... a machine more canting than a galaxy ... god - to me god is the complete universe = that includes myself and you labelwench ... i
guess you cannot fool god on the really long run!

Thank you for the clarification Unvanqx.

Hawking has caught my interest because he has long been one of 'the references', and considered to be among the world's great thinkers, and as he has now changed his mind on a unifying theory, it interests me to contemplate what information would move him to do so. Just started into reading the book he co-authored with Leonard Mlodinow titled 'The Grand Design'.

I have no particular muse of my own save 'nature', and I agree with you that there are many 'helpers' in that venue that we may learn considerably more from. Any form that depends upon air and water for existence has relevence to our own biology and from the ordering of social insects to the navigational abilities of insects birds and mammals, there remains much we do not fully understand. Let me not leave out the plants! All of our food, be we vegan or omnivore comes by means of the plants, and the air we breathe, a by-product of photsynthesis.

The non-ambulatory forms likewise have much to share, as they hold records from long ago, which we may unearth and study.

Yes. I quite agree. We have many 'helpers' when we but pause to seek direction.