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ToE and Unified theory - 11-12-2004, 12:00 PM

I am just an ordinary everyday person who is passionate about understanding our/The Universe - everything about everything - and everything's "place" or part played in the whole.

I understand little about the well known existing theories and their mechanics.

Being new to this site/forum let me begin here with the following 2 part question (Asked with my personal perceptions that The Universe is Infinite and in place and in constant states of changing due to cause and effect and chaos):

"If there is a commonality concerning all that has been, is, and will be in existance, why does the answer elude our species to this point, and once we do understand the connection(s), how can we utilize the knowledge? What will it be applied to regarding the future of the human species and everything we have effect upon."

As an afterthought, i would like to know if there are known, indisputable links at this point between everything known to exist.
And also if there is a plan for a computer that is capable of connecting all of the science of this and anything that pertains to this ("this" being ToE and unified theory).

Thankyou...
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re: ToE and Unified Theory - 11-12-2004, 12:06 PM

Also i wonder if there ever will be the possibliity of being able to identify all in existance at any given point in time.

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12-01-2004, 06:33 PM

Many people in many civilizations have asked the question you are asking. The most commonly admired for this asking of questions were the ancient Greeks who observed the universe. From their observations they offered up answers. The answers they offered up and some of their approaches have been said by some to be the basis of the sciences today.

So you are questioning and observing in a similar way to the ancient Greeks. Probably a similar way in which everyone questions.

The difficulty you have is an overall explanation of the systems of the world, the universe and everything. (Brian Green "The Elegant Universe" offers an fairly good explanation of where the sciences are at today, I think)

An infinite universe, you say? Sure, cause and effect, but according to my knowledge, this universe cannot be inifinite. This begs many questions and the sciences are already on to it. "Is the universe curved?" some have asked.

A 'commonality' as you say in your post is what the sciences are seeking. Commonality is at the heart of a Theory of Everything. 'How can that knowledge be utilized if it is realized?'you also ask. Knowing the human race it will probably be fatal. Sure, and amazing new medicines will undoubably be discovered to treat the wounded

'Links between everything that is known to exist?' you say. These links are what the sciences seek. If they find the link or a single law that links all things then they will have the Theory of Everything. So links are what they're looking for.

Finally you ask if there is a computer capable... some within the sciences say that they aren't smart enough yet to solve the complex mathematics involved. However there is work on a machine that it is said will recreate the intensity at the beginning of the universe. That is, they intend to recreate the beginning of the universe (in very small scale) to see what they can learn. That is, how a single thing splits into many things and other mysteries including the Theory of Everything.

That is, it is believed (by some) that the universe began as a singlularity or single thing. From there the singularity expanded into many things - and eventually settled into the universe we see around us. So recreating this event in small scale might tell them what the Theory is.

I hope this explanation helps you out.
  
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Everything needs to include everything - 12-04-2004, 08:43 PM

One of the reasons a theory of everything may elude many of our today scientists (I think people in the past may have thought to know the answer) is that science is based on the visible, the discovered, the facts. From this, ideas/theories can be built, but some input may be overlooked.

Take the binary system, it consists of ones and zeroes. The zeroes aren't much - really - but without them the system wouldn't function very well. In the binary system it is difficult to overlook the importance of zero because it plays such a prominent part in the system. Yet in the decimal system the zero can easily become seen as a less important player, at times even ignored.

If reality is a place where both the binary system and the decimal system have their place (and then some other systems as well), the number zero becomes completely snowed under. While the binary system cannot function without the zero, when looking for everything it is easy to forget zero's importance.

As far as structure is concerned, most TOEs try to deliver an ultimate place with a 1 in top, that is the attempt is made to bring everything back to a single unified field. The ideas make use of the decimal system in which the number 1 is placed in top (and where they forgot zero because it was easy to ignore).

In my opinion, the only TOE that can really be a TOE must contain both binary and decimal structures (and others). According to me, a unified field - everything can be brought back to a single platform - cannot exist. But if you believe in just that, you may remain focused/fixated for a long time. I believe a TOE can exist in which zero plays an important role too.

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Binary and Everything - 12-05-2004, 12:50 PM

Well yes of course, binary with its zero must be included in any TOE because a 'TOE' means 'everything.'

Naturally those involved when struggling with 'everything' have tended to say 'everything except...' For example, love and the subjective tend to be included in the section of 'everything except.' The subjective though is one of the mainstays of human existence, with its love, dreams and theories. (Why is there a TOE search? It's a dream of discovery that the sciences have. So the impetus for their search IS subjective).

Therefore if the sciences don't think a TOE is possible (ie EVERYTHING) maybe defeat should be admitted. Use a name other than TOE that does not include 'everything.' Then again, 'theory' doesn't mean actuality either. Theory means, more or less, 'a hopeful collection of hopeful notions which may or may not be verified.'

Thankfully my area of mysticism is devoid of collections of hopeful notions, so that knowledge includes binary, because it can.
  
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TOE is an infinite series - 12-07-2004, 12:59 PM

TOE = TOP + TOC + TOG + ...

TOP = theory of physics

TOC = theory of consciousness

TOG = theory of god (or the supernatural)

A top-down series that includes emergent processes
  
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A Picture says more than a thousand words - 03-29-2005, 01:16 PM

In the New York Times Science section of today (3-29-05) I read about the collision of gold nuclei in the Brookhaven National Laboratory. Here is a picture of the result:
http://www.physicscentral.com/pictur...ures-00-4s.jpg
and the abstract can be read at http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0501068

This is powerful imagery that seems to support what I am saying about an empty center at the emergence of the universe. Dr. Horatiu Nastase describes in the NY Times article that "(t)he collision of gold nuclei produce matter as it existed shortly after the Big Bang."

I could not ask for a better image. It does not mean absolute evidence, but it is nice to deliver a picture next to the words.


The difference between a structure based on unification and a structure without unification hinges on the question if nothing is just plain nothing or if nothing is mighty fundamental. Read In Search of a Cyclops with titillating mathematical evidence (see homepage) to find out if separation belongs to the fundamental basics of our universe - or not.
  
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zero power of zero - 03-29-2005, 02:04 PM

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I believe a TOE can exist in which zero plays an important role too.
0^0 = 1 but 1^0=1

0^1 = 0 but 1^1=1

0^2 = 0 but 1^2=1

0^3 = 0 but 1^3=1

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0^{\infty} = 0 but 1^{\infty}=1

So 1 is really zero to the power of zero.
  
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zero power of zero is undefined - 03-30-2005, 12:39 PM

looking through the math textbooks specially on the properties of exponents, the zero power of zero is an invalid math expression. But in order to find a connection between zero and unity, it really does not seriously violate any math logic to define that the zero power of zero is unity. it will be even more useful if the exponent is used to signify dimensionality of a number. Traditionally, real numbers are located on the one dimensional number line. And for complex numbers an imaginary axis is added perpendicular to the number line. So complex numbers are 2-dimensional numbers. Then come the 3D vector numbers extracted from the vector part of quaternions. Further generalization becomes the calculus of tensors, which are dimensional numbers greater than 3.

If exponent signifies dimension then pure scalar number must have zero dimension (rank zero tensors). Directed 1D vectors (complex numbers become rank 1 tensors) are 1 dimensional number. 2D vectors are 2 dimensional numbers becoming rank 2 tensors, 3D vectors are 3 dimensional number or rank 3 tensors, rank 4 tensors are 4D numbers, rank 5 tensors are 5D numbers, etc.
  
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03-30-2005, 12:40 PM

what? how did you get zero to the power of zero= one.

I can only get 0 from 0^0
  
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