Evolution ?

[Drifter]

Hi, Austin.

...the one with successes lived to bear offspring to whom the successes were passed on. The failures often died before they could breed.

If the "successes" were to be defined by the ability to breed, then your statement is largely incorrect. The very wide-ranging nature of the mutations across the genome can only exist by virture of successful breeding...no one is devoid of genetic mutuation.

If the "failures" simply failed to breed, there would be no mutations.

The stuff in between was neither here nor there, as some is still around, either active or turned off as junk DNA.

So called, hypothesied, "junk" DNA is a presumptuous term. It has yet to be proved "junk." There is evidence to the contrary...

There were no lifetime guarantees—the Neanderthals didn't make it.

I'm confused...don't you believe neanderthals were your ancestors?

http://www.theosophycardiff.care4free.net/seven.htm

A more erudite perspective?

"Junk" is what science labels as that which hasn't come-to-light yet.

"Split the atom and LO!, Behold the Sun." ~Rumi: Persian Poet Centuries past.

Science is awakening, slowly but surely, the self evolving prophesy as "all things will be brought into the light."

Namaste`
Drift.

[Drifter]

http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/artic...otherhood.html

http://www.northill.demon.co.uk/relstud/agescycl.htm

Namaste`,
D.

[Drifter]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Muhammad_Rumi



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Came to believe that "Only a power greater than ourselves could/would restore us to sanity, if He/She/It were sought.

That one is God, may you find Him/Her/It now.

[Mohan.C]

God is contentment, when we have seen or experienced god, we have experienced the universe... There is nothing more to find...

So, I'll find as much as I can now, so that when I find god, I'll be content...

Actually, both the sentences mean the same, but the approach is different...

[racecar]

All that is or ever was...how else would I know?

[racecar]

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[melanie]

Hello Mel,

Your views here are very relevant, IMHO, and are understood considering your spiritual foundation,
so you shouldn't mistake my conversation as anything more than presenting an alternative view.

Evolution is a concept we use to understand the changes going on in our world, along with those in the past,
whereby hopefully better understanding and perhaps giving a degree of predictability to the changes to come in the future.

Through our systematic studies of our world (a.k.a. science),
I would say that we've found more evidence for evolution than we have against it.

Possibilities are endless infinite.
Yet, out of one or more things, this is still one thing.
That is the illusion we must transcend
we must combine the two to make one, if we want to survive.
Looking at the past we can know the future...NOW

Existence IS changing as appearances come and go forever unchanged.

My point from before was that I feel as though you perhaps view our progress here and perhaps appropriately question its effects on us,
or even the entirety of life on Earth in general,
but no one said that our actions would ultimately benefit us or the further progression of life.

Yes that's right, no one said that our actions would benefit us, in fact action is the work of god,
if we do this work according to natures law,
we would automatically know how to survive.
Much like our animal cousins who follow natures law they automatically adapt to their surround.

As for any effect on our environment, or progression,
i think we all know very well, it is an instinctive attribute, a gift from grace, where we know what is good or bad for us.

To an individual within a species, their life is the most important aspect they must consider,
but their existence is found subjective to the greater objective good of the species.
As discussed above, the entire species existence may be found inferior to the greater good of the progression of life at any cost; even to its own extinction.

I agree, but human has spiritual nature, and can co-create it's reality/existence towards either destruction or survival.
Animals don't have the luxury of this attribute.

[melanie]

Great topic Mel.

You're my Hero,you go girl!

Love ya,
Drift.

Why thank-you my friend,
and welcome to my humble abode, make yourself at home, home is where the heart is,
where ever i lay my hat that's my home, consider yourself one of the family
come warm yourself by the fire
cup of chi ?


always home .. NOBODY - - aka mel.

[melanie]

Human habitation on Planet Earth: by NOBODY

Just reporting my surround.

Present lifestyles are destroying our minds,
paradoxically science and technology have advanced our livelihoods ,
but to what end and to what cost on our mental health?
Have we become dependent on this technology to the point that if it were not there anymore would we feel very empty confused and lost without it.
It does now appear imho, that we are walking a very fine line between economic stability and total meltdown without even realizing it.
Without realizing because this world is brainwashed into feeling secure, sadly it is a false sense of security.
We can deny this as much as we want, but sooner or later we will have to wake up to this stark truth. Many are.
The advancement of human existence has always been at the detriment of nature yet we are not separate from nature.
So what we do to nature we do to ourselves.
What is it going to take to bring this whole house of cards tumbling down?
I think we know the answer to that question.
We only need to look at the past to see the future.
People have lived on this earth for thousands of years, today science demands proof of this that and the other,
so that we are better able to understand ourselves and the environment.
What is there to understand? Does the grass not grow all by itself?

It is true that people would die from deadly diseases in the past, perhaps this was natures way,
just as natural disasters are responsible for many human and animal deaths.
Natures way cannot be stopped or halted,perhaps she has a divine plan.
We cannot tamper or play god with nature as much as we'd like to believe otherwise.
All human intervention is for no other reason than to control the environment for it's own selfish purpose.
Only nature controls, we are not separate from that controlling, we are the least, we are the controlled.
We are the experiencing of nature, it's co-creator, not to be confused with the creator, we are the least of THAT
If we do not adhere to natural law, but instead adhere to manmade law there can be no natural harmony or balance.
This is what we need to understand, there is nothing else to understand.
World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800.
Nature had it's way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus.

Nature left to it's own devices will thrive, nature and animals have survived against all odds, for millions of years.
Nature will survive nuclear bombs, but human flesh cannot.
Mankind through their self-serving want for pleasure
have intervened with nature to make a better world for themselves creating what is now an out of control consumeristic population.
Consumer demand cannot be sustained at this level, it is beginning to tip the balance..The table is creaking.
This has created not solutions to our world but problems.
When man made medicines / antibiotics were invented, the population started to increase very rapidly.
Half the world is now dependent on artificial drugs and modern medicine just to keep them alive due to inappropriate lifestyles.
If we led natural healthy lives would we even get sick?
Other parts of the population are hooked on hard mood/ mind altering drugs to escape from what??
We have lawyers because we create problems that need to be fixed.
We have police because we break laws that then require justice.
We have hospitals because people have accidents due to their erratic lifestyles so they have to be fixed.
We have banks because people need somewhere to save their money for a rainy day that never comes.
We have factories where people can makes things that we don't need or want.
Everything is mass produced without care and attention for the environment , so that we can give entertainment to our mass produced population.
The unrelenting demand for consumerism is man made reality, it continues to grow out of control creating more and more waste on a global scale.
As people get tired and bored with one thing they desire something else,
all because it no longer suits our purpose, and all the while the ecosystem suffers under the strain as consumer demand reaches ever more and more.
Relationships fail because we cannot be bothered to put in the commitment or the effort to make them work.
Creating fatherless and motherless lost children who are then forced to grow up before they are emotionally ready.
Creating a dysfunctional society where children have been robbed of their fundamental essential nurturing that only mature stable parenting offers.
Relationships are looking for instant gratification, because they cannot slow down for fear of missing out on something.
Creating more and more problems.
But rather than creating the solution to their problems.
Humans are incapable of making solutions preferring to dwell on problems.


Human overactivity/ advancement comes at a cost, it is not natures way,
look at what happens to the cells in the body when
the cells refuse to die, they become cancerous ultimately killing their host.
Are we killing our earth?
The quest for a solution is the biggest problem in itself.



melanie.

[ggullet]

No victory without a battle,

No testimony without a test,

Nothing ventured nothing gained,

In any event,

there is always a winner and a loser.

Like two golden birds perched in the self-same tree,

The ego and the true-Self, intimate friends and inseperable.

The former (Ego) partakes of the sweet and the bitter fuits of the Tree of Life while the latter (True-Self) looks on,

In detachment. ~Mundaka Upanishad

inseperable yet detached