This Perfect Universe

[melanie]

"Your old life is over, in a way, if in that life you had defined
yourself as isolated and separated from the world,
or struggling with the world to achieve a good position,
to gain some sort of power or control or security or safety,
or even if you were trying to flee from that interconnected universe.

Instead of that, you now become the universe.
Then, nothing is actually wrong in that universe.
It is perfect.

But others don't see it that way.
So, the one thing that IS lacking in that perfect universe is their seeing it as perfect,
so that everyone would feel perfectly at ease within it.

You may automatically wish to free them, which would lead to frustration if,
in your initial glimpse of this awakening,
you lacked the compassion, the skill in liberative technique,
the art to really open to others the world as you see it,
to enable them to see their own reality as reality of bliss....

No matter how intense your own feeling is, within yourself,
of joy and freedom and relief and relaxation,
you can't automatically force other people into that mode.

In fact, if you approach them with the very high energy of your own bliss,
they will percieve that as a little bit of pressure,
and they will then constrict more, and they will feel
more pressure, and they will suffer more."

- Robert Thurman, The Jewel Tree of Tibet

[Mohan.C]

Knowledge cannot be imposed.
There's nothing to understand, there's only to realize, the self, the past, good, bad, life, death, nothing, everything.

I have noticed that, whenever I talk to a person, I have a mental image of his responses already charted out. If they don't exactly come in that way, I get frustrated. I think, this happens to everyone.

Anyway, I posted this here because, no matter how hard we try, letting go of the self, is almost impossible, mainly because, life inherently carries an identity, a name tag, that says, "this body is alive".
And that is the self, which expands as ego, as it grows with the past and in the present, the name tag only gets more clearer with the accumulations of ideas and thoughts, unique for that identity, and this uniqueness since is present in everyone will clash.

So, trying to make someone understand is not really necessary, it is enough to realize that we have a beautiful world, and recognize the beauty in the uniqueness, instead of trying to dissolve the uniqueness. We just don't have to clash this uniqueness.

[melanie]

Nice reply Mohan thanks.

And yet sometimes, we might get a little too passionate about life, and we might spontaneously decide to share our passions.
Although very often the sharing of our own beliefs are un-requited because we all perceive our realities differently.

But like you say not necessary, because there is nothing to understand, all we have to do is be in awe of every moment,
just to be fully present, and give that presence our full attention.

Because that present moment will never be any different than it is arising.

What ever emotion arises will arise, we have no control over that what-so-ever
So it doesn't matter if we are grumpy, irritable, sad or deliriously happy.
We have no 'free will' in that respect.

We cannot be happy&sad simultaneously or passionate&dispassionate simultaneously.
We are either one or the other, we cannot favor one over the other, because they compliment each other.
So it makes no difference it's all perfect.
Can't have black without white.

We just have to allow for each moment to be as perfect as it is.

Without attaching emotional expectations,or wanting to change the outcomes, to realize that every situation is already as it is the way it is.

Namaste' Mohan.

[labelwench]

...you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.....
It was some time in life before I came to realize that the above expression, while it may be taken literally and is true in that regard, ..... has far more to do with many other things in life that are quite unrelated to horses.

Although most of us come to this world via the womb, and have reason to believe that our time shall come to pass, each of us makes a unique journey during the course of our existence, regardless the length of that passage.

Genotype and phenotype, we become the sum total of our experiences, some of which are so empowering or perhaps overwhelming that we can never fully share them with another.

We are all threads in the fabric of life. The weave and the weft support each other, and the fabric retains it's structure, even when some, or many of it's threads are damaged or broken. Threads.....individually unique and fragile, yet taken together, become far stronger and enduring.

Just a thought to share.....

Labelwench

[austintorn@aol.com]

Love’s warp, weft, and wave,
Is the eternal, perfect braid,
Wound of strands of Truth, Goodness, and Beauty made.

[Mohan.C]

Nice reply Mohan thanks.

And yet sometimes, we might get a little too passionate about life, and we might spontaneously decide to share our passions.
Although very often the sharing of our own beliefs are un-requited because we all perceive our realities differently.

But like you say not necessary, because there is nothing to understand, all we have to do is be in awe of every moment,
just to be fully present, and give that presence our full attention.

Because that present moment will never be any different than it is arising.

What ever emotion arises will arise, we have no control over that what-so-ever
So it doesn't matter if we are grumpy, irritable, sad or deliriously happy.
We have no 'free will' in that respect.

We cannot be happy&sad simultaneously or passionate&dispassionate simultaneously.
We are either one or the other, we cannot favor one over the other, because they compliment each other.
So it makes no difference it's all perfect.
Can't have black without white.

We just have to allow for each moment to be as perfect as it is.

Without attaching emotional expectations,or wanting to change the outcomes, to realize that every situation is already as it is the way it is.

Namaste' Mohan.

Melanie, you're quite right,
As you say, we might get passionate and spontaneously share our passions.

I ( I am starting to hate the usage of this word ) will tell you what is the problem with this.

Even if we let go of our ego, and we share our thoughts, the person who is listening to that thoughts, doesn't recognize it as a non-ego thought. He or she identifies the thought with the person.
You get my point don't you?
We can sacrifice the ego for ourselves, but, we can't sacrifice the identity by which others recognize us.
The final word will be- "such and such a person uttered such great words", the 'such and such' for that person still exists.
That's why, every thought has to be realized for every individual, it cannot be understood.

I am sorry if I have said the same things again and again, but it is all in an effort to make the point comprehensible.

[melanie]

Melanie, you're quite right,
As you say, we might get passionate and spontaneously share our passions.

I ( I am starting to hate the usage of this word ) will tell you what is the problem with this.

Even if we let go of our ego, and we share our thoughts, the person who is listening to that thoughts, doesn't recognize it as a non-ego thought.
He or she identifies the thought with the person.
You get my point don't you?
We can sacrifice the ego for ourselves, but, we can't sacrifice the identity by which others recognize us.
The final word will be- "such and such a person uttered such great words", the 'such and such' for that person still exists.
That's why, every thought has to be realized for every individual, it cannot be understood.

I am sorry if I have said the same things again and again, but it is all in an effort to make the point comprehensible.

Duality IS .. THE ''Passion Play '' ...full stop

'We' got here by an act of passion ...Remember?


My personal thoughts that i share here at the TOE ..

Are of a Metaphysical '' Impersonal '' Nature ... these thoughts are a personal ''experiencing'' of mine.

I can no more explain these thoughts to anyone.

Anymore than i can understand the thoughts of a scientific or a mathematical mind.

Why, because i have no knowledge of that area of knowledge.

My knowing comes from a deep intuition that i tap into because i am able to detach from ''The Thinking Mind''

Like drifter said don't knock it until you try it.
The proof is in the pudding...so to speak.

Unless one has personally transcended the 'veil of maya'
No understanding will come of it.

It is a transpersonal experience.
And so it appears that i can discuss Impersonal Transcendental Metaphysical ideas on this forum.
Because it is part of the TOE ..imho
I am not expecting anyone to understand my ideas.
One has to know it them-self to relate.

What the scientific community fail to realize is,
that there is an inner knowing deep within our being,
untapped until we open those channels.
Now, i am sure they are fully aware of this '' inner knowing '' no doubt.

But one has to practice it .. to understand it.
One can't find it in a text book or look for it outside.
It cannot be physically located, it is a feeling, a knowing.
Spiritual studies are the complimentary counterpart necessary to complete any TOE.

All knowledge, first and foremost comes from within,
from one with the knowing.
Then that knowledge is then transformed into second hand knowledge,
via learning from education/books/and the rest is history..bla bla bla


Anyone can read a science book about relativity and so forth.
The proofs are always self evident.

It is human nature to demand instant gratification and seeable proofs.

But no-one thinks to look in rather than out.
Many do and are now awakening to the truth of reality.
Because in reality 'out' is really the 'in' .. projected out.

Pick up a few books about Vendanta Advaita,
read them and practice shutting down the chattering mind for one little minute.

And bingo......the truth will be revealed.

But you don't have to believe anything i have said.

As you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

namaste' melanie.

[Mohan.C]

Hi mel, you totally lost me there.

Was that a reply to my post? In which case, I believe, you totally mis- understood my point.

[melanie]

Hi mel, you totally lost me there.

Was that a reply to my post? In which case, I believe, you totally mis- understood my point.

I did not mis-understand ..your point.

Wasn't replying to your post specifically.


I am just reporting my surround.

You answer a post ... I answer a post.

Doesn't mean we have to understand each other.


In reality there is nothing to understand.

We are the understood.

That's my point.

All knowing is 'One with the Knowing'....In THIS

''All Inclusive'' ''All Pervading'' ''All Encompassing''

Omnipresent- Omniscience- Omnipotent- Divine - IS-ness.

That is my point.

Just saying the same things again and again.

To make my point comprehensible.

[melanie]

Hi mel, you totally lost me there.

Was that a reply to my post? In which case, I believe, you totally mis- understood my point.

I was just agreeing with your post.

You only ''assumed'' that I mis-understood.

Oh, i understood your post fine ..

Mohan is preaching to the choir ... as is me too.

That's what human nature does.