The Razor's Edge

[Meem]

Without information (guidance) how can we be expected to make informed decisions?

To make manifest? To rely on something unseen, unknown, but almost heard. There is a difference in knowing the path and walking the path? Faith, the power of belief?

[Drifter]

Indeed, I but retain a veneer of enculturation and conditioning, as it affords me greater mobility on many planes.

I offer to lead none, for it is not my place to make the choices of another. Still, they would follow, though I encourage them toward independence.

Ever, is the journey interesting......

Regards,

Labelwench

It may afford you mobility on the physical plane but aren't we trying to ascend this plane, to a higher level plane of consciousness? "Man cannot serve two masters."?
Where do you wish to be? What are your looking for?
Something "interesting"? Have you found it? If not, continue along the jpurney your on. Keep you head-light on and you just may find what your looking for.

Even as an old wine vessel should be purified of all 'remnants/remains' of its previous content (veneer), so as not to 'taint' the new,
The retainment of the old(veneer) in this instant will keep you grounded and on this 'limited' and physical/metaphysical plane.

Until the mind is purified of the conditioning and enculturation relevant to this plane, and released as it were from that bondage, at least temporally (through meditation as one method);
I don't believe there can be a transcendence of consciousness. Consiouness cannot evolve unless it is given the space to do so. So the mind has to "opened-up" as it were.
Vestiges of the old contaminate the new.The 'you' who would retain this 'veneer' is no more real than the veneer one pretentiously tries to hold on too. Relative Consciousness will not dis-appear so to speak, because like it or not, we are stuck on this plane until we are not, but our consciousness can evole to a higher-state, if we allow it to do so, and to do that we have to experience liberation from qall bondage to material things in this apparent realm of existence called the waking state...oh...mwhat's the word...'transcendance', of consciousness, how can it be otherwise?
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[Drifter]

To make manifest? To rely on something unseen, unknown, but almost heard. There is a difference in knowing the path and walking the path? Faith, the power of belief?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17715724/T...phonic-Meteors

[Meem]

Who am I really, if I do not attempt to share this journey with others? Who am I really if I only show concern for my path? What kind of guru would I be, if I never had any students? Maybe I am not ready to be a teacher of many yet, maybe I never will be. For now, I am happy if I am able to teach just one. But I don't understand where you stress is coming from if we are all connected to the Brahman. You should be at peace with your path and mine, because it doesn't matter what the I thinks. You might not be stuck on your eye, or I ... but as it seems to be, you are stuck on my eye or I. My third I. Does this make any sense to you? Or is it meant to only make sense to me?

If my saying I bothers you, then what should I say for you to understand whom I am talking about? Should I talk in the past, future, or present tense?

What word is acceptable for you to hear? The-self I know as me? That did not work either. I am not afraid of the word I, it is a just a word, like many others.

[labelwench]

Alas, Drifter,

I am beyond redemption, nor do I seek same.

There is something that guides my steps, though I would not define it if I could.

More reason why I suggest that each seeks their own path.

Regards,

Labelwench

[melanie]

The Particle that Controls Life and the Cosmos

From the eyes of a Scientist, Me and the Light of the Lord in Me

Scientist in me [what society taught me] tells me nature is Gravity and is a centripetal force

Second law of thermodynamics applied to it tells me that the system should collapse to a center point and die

But when I look through the window and see a grass grow I see nature as Anti-Gravity and centrifugal

Second law thermodynamics applied to it, tells me nature should collapse and die in a boundary

When I submit to the spirit and light within in me it tells me I am the mover between the two death points follow me you will never die

We can reinvent our nonsensical Big Bang theory involving the observer.

Calvary is the point of big bang origin, what is exploding is intelligence and Living Light.

You cannot see this Light unless you come down from the realm of mind to the realm of consciousness and submit to the inner Light.

You have to reduce form observer and become participator.

You should be able to sacrifice and be ready to burn in totality.

If you carry any self then the intelligence will be that much reduced to perceive the Truth.

I must admit it is impossible without His Grace even to think of it, for “self”
our mind and its intelligence is essential reality over which we lived for centuries protecting ourselves and evolving.

The importance here is the understanding that there are two “self ’s” within a human,

one of the Master who rules [ superior] and the other of you [ inferior].

One should learn to die to the Master, every moment, such that the Master takes guard of you.

Every religious cultures, practices done is simply a distorted version of pleasing the “Master".

The true and complete pleasing was done by Christ to arrest Time and conquer death

Human body consist to three parts, the soul, mind and body.

Time direction and death is related to human mind that fails to perceive Truth and thus breaks the law.

The conquering of time and death and its initialization should come from transformation and illumination of human mind.

Mind is the secondary part of the living system, the first being the soul.

This means Lord has to transform and initialize the human souls first by His soul and Spirit,
before transforming and initializing human mind by His Mind.

Only completion of these two essential facts will lead to transformation and initialization of the body.

This is the Secret of Christ.

This is the Secret of Calvary Sacrifice and His promise of Second Coming.

It is the Divine Plan and Divine Design.

Christ soul is acting as template to transform the souls of humans. beyond some point,
Mind of God will reveal to initialize human mind thus causing order to the body.



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[Drifter]

Who am I really, if I do not attempt to share this journey with others? Who am I really if I only show concern for my path? What kind of guru would I be, if I never had any students? Maybe I am not ready to be a teacher of many yet, maybe I never will be. For now, I am happy if I am able to teach just one. But I don't understand where you stress is coming from if we are all connected to the Brahman. You should be at peace with your path and mine, because it doesn't matter what the I thinks. You might not be stuck on your eye, or I ... but as it seems to be, you are stuck on my eye or I. My third I. Does this make any sense to you? Or is it meant to only make sense to me?

If my saying I bothers you, then what should I say for you to understand whom I am talking about? Should I talk in the past, future, or present tense?

What word is acceptable for you to hear? The-self I know as me? That did not work either. I am not afraid of the word I, it is a just a word, like many others.

Similar minds seek one another out. That's the law of attraction.

What keeps bringing you back to this thread?

Is your 'concern' a selfish one?

If so, which 'self' would that be?

[melanie]

Matter itself is void.

Voidness does not result from the destruction of matter,
but the very nature of matter is itself voidness.

Therefore, to speak of voidness on the one hand,
and of motion, dimension, form, concept, feeling and sensation,
perception or form-of-consciousness on the other is entirely dualistic.

Consciousness
itself is voidness.

Voidness does not result from the destruction of consciousness,
but the nature of consciousness is itself voidness.

Such understanding of the previous components of consciousness
and the direct knowledge of them as such
by means of gnosis is the entrance into nonduality.

[Drifter]

Alas, Drifter,

I am beyond redemption, nor do I seek same.

There is something that guides my steps, though I would not define it if I could.

More reason why I suggest that each seeks their own path.

Regards,

Labelwench

If you came across a blind person, would you offer a hand?

Or would you be afraid they would 'bite' you?

Reminds me of the parable of 'pearls' in the bible.

And how some are turned upon and rended to pieces?

Or the Scorpion and the Swan.

The woman at the well.

Tell me Lw, what draws you so near?

Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here
Perhaps not.

Either way,
take what is useful
leave the rest.

If I wanted your suggestions I would ask for them.
Besides as I have previously stated, I feel the same way, yet you make us appear as divided on this?

Whats up? Do you know everything there is to know about this subject?

If so lead on dear, I'm all ears. (or are merely living up to your moniker trying to 'label' me? lol

http://www.thewordteaches.com/psalms_25.htm

[Meem]

Something that is told as The Myth, the end of Plato's story ... that I have tried to imagine. That on some plane we are aware of all things and we choose our life and there is no blame for our life to be placed on God, but those whom choose it, us. It never really makes clear, it seems to indicate that the throne is empty, but never clearly states if it is or not. What is the purpose of this myth and the end of the story of ones life?

A man on fire.




A man really on fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBszR...eature=related