The Razor's Edge

[Drifter]

Condemnation prior to investigation, self-knowledge/self-enquiry, is the height of ignorance. ~Albert Einstein

O Rama, in this ocean of ignorant mental conditioning, he who has found the raft of self-knowledge is saved from drowning; he who has not found the raft of self-knowledge is surely drowned. Therefore, O Rama examine the nature of the self with an intelligence as sharp as a razor's edge; and then rest in self0knowledge. Live as the sgaes od self-knowledge live. They know the infinite consciousness and the world appearance: hence, they do not relish nor renounce activity in this world. You, too, have attained self-knowledge, Rama, and you are at peace.

In the past there have been millions of Brahmas, Sivas, Indras, and Narayanas: however, even the creations of these gods were but the jugglery of Maya [illusion].

These creations were were sometimes from Brahma; others were ascribed to Siva or Narayana, or the sages. Again, sometimes Brahma was born of a lotus, at others he rose from the waters or from an egg or from space. In some universes Brahma is the supreme deity, in others it is the Sun, Indra, Naraya, or Siva. In some universes the earth is filled with trees, in others with people or with mountains. Somewhere the earth is of mud or clay, elsewhere it is rocky or golden or coppery. One may count the rays of the sun; but it is impossible to count the number of universes that exist. This creation is beginningless. In this 'city of Brahman' (which is the infinite consciousness or the consciousness in the space of one's heart) these universes arise and vanish again and agin. But these are different (divided) from the one infinite consciousness.

These creations, whether they are gross or subtle, whether they are established or disintegrating, are all garlands of the subtle elements.
Sometimes space gets established first, and the creator is said to be bornof space; at other times, air gets established first, and as others times, fire, water or earth; and the creator gets an appropiate title. From this Creator's body there arise 'words' like brahmana (a priest) etc., and these words become 'living beings' with appropiate designations.

Of course aqll this is unreal, like the creations seen in a dream. Hence the question "Hoe did all this arise in the one infinite consciousness/" is immature and childish. The creation appears to take place on account of the intentions of the mind. This is certainly a mystery and a wonder.

The question then, to begin with, is which came first: Intention or Will and then "Who or What's Will"?
This I believe is getting close to 'The Razor's Edge'?

[Drifter]

We should proceed with an agreement of the understanding of terminologies. imho

intention

- 5 dictionary results
in⋅ten⋅tion

  /ɪnˈtɛnʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-ten-shuhn] Show IPA
Using intention in a sentence;

–noun 1.an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result.2.the end or object intended; purpose.3.intentions, a.purpose or attitude toward the effect of one's actions or conduct: a bungler with good intentions. b.purpose or attitude with respect to marriage: Our friends are beginning to ask what our intentions are. 4.the act or fact of intending.5.Logic. a.Also called first intention, primary intention. reference by signs, concepts, etc., to concrete things, their properties, classes, or the relationships among them.b.Also called second intention, secondary intention. reference to properties, classes, or the relationships among first intentions.6.Surgery, Medicine/Medical. a manner or process of healing, as in the healing of a lesion or fracture without granulation (healing by first intention) or the healing of a wound by granulation after suppuration (healing by second intention). 7.meaning or significance: The intention of his words was clear. 8.the person or thing meant to benefit from a prayer or religious offering.9.Archaic. intentness.

Origin:
1300–50; ME intencio(u)n < L intentiōn- (s. of intentiō). See intent2 , -ion

Related forms:
in⋅ten⋅tion⋅less, adjective

Synonyms:
2. goal. Intention, intent, purpose all refer to a wish that one means to carry out. Intention is the general word: His intention is good. Intent is chiefly legal or literary: attack with intent to kill. Purpose implies having a goal or determination to achieve something: Her strong sense of purpose is reflected in her studies.







Could this be the beginning of all creativity, on the concept of a creators whim?

When/Where does the concept of "will" come in? Before or after the 'intention'?

Then, Is Awareness the screen in which consciousness arises? One being the absolute, the one off-spring, whim, being relative?

Or is "whim" [intuitive knowing] the intermediary?

In my dictionary, from intense to inter, a very pragmatic suppostion/intenuition arises.

Truth, is preeminently to be tested by the practical results of belief; "Gnosis".

Is intent the rider or is will the rider if intent?

Once again, who's will is it, if so it might be said, that's intending/intuiting?

Discernment is key...

[Drifter]

intense, intensity, intention, intensity, intensive, intent, intention, intentional, inter

An /intuition arise's from the compilation of the infered definitions which does not exist in any one definition alone.

http://books.google.com/books?id=L9M...age&q=&f=false

Also Intellected and Intellection are key words to agree upon. imho

You might say, I'm on a quest; [and i could use your help (?)]..., if you share a (propensity for investigation) like-mindedness? Curious-soul

[Drifter]

[quote=Drifter;93866]intense, intensity, intention, intensity, intensive, intent, intention, intentional, inter

An /intuition arise's from the compilation of the infered definitions which does not exist in any one definition alone.

http://books.google.com/books?id=L9M...age&q=&f=false

Also Intellected and Intellection are key words to agree upon. imho

And also; The proletariat (from Latin proles, "offspring") is a term used to identify a lower social class; a member of such a class is proletarian. Originally it was identified as those people who had no wealth other than their sons. The term was initially used in a derogatory sense, until Karl Marx used it as a sociological term to refer to the working class.

From its latin root, this 'word' is also very intersting.imho

[and i could use your help (?)]..., if you share a like-mindedness?

[Drifter]

[quote=Drifter;93866]intense, intensity, intention, intensity, intensive, intent, intention, intentional, inter

An /intuition arise's from the compilation of the inferred definitions (mystical, non-literal) which does not exist in any one definition above alone.

Apparent life and the world-appearance as we know it is the result of; what the dictionary describes by way of the above words, in less romantic terms, the 'Interrobang'.

The microcosim is a relection of the macrocosim...?

In the beginning was the word . . .

[Drifter]

science vs. truth?

The Chidakash G(J)ee(i)t(v)a . . .
dispell delusion;

http://www.nonduality.com/mcg1.htm

[Meem]

Who's razor? "God's?" Does he need a shave, or is "god" shaving us?

[melanie]

science vs. truth?

There are two kinds of consciousnesses inner and outer.
The inner one is 'pure thought' and the outer one is 'rational thinking'
Maybe there's conscious vs subconscious-- ?
a division of the first kind of consciousness?--thinking that can be pure and another thinking that is impure.
In reality every-thing that happens, happens firstly on a subconscious level.
Doing is done--no doer thereof.

It is when two people communicate in pure thought-- there are no misinterpretations, no corruption of information,
because it bypasses the consciousness and in doing so also bypasses the sometimes negative aspects of experience
which can lead to personal biases and emotional baggage
which can cloud a persons view of what is being communicated.


'Pure thought' eliminates all the problems and associated inconsistencies with what we call rational thought or if you will, conscious thought.
Therefore those ideas and concepts, which trouble a vast number of people are totally irrelevant.
'Pure Thought' as it's name implies, is incorruptible.

''Rational Thinking'' BLOCKS the purity of that which IS already perfect-- no need to add to it...(opinion)(interpretation)
This already perfect IS-ness-- is arising NOW-- as it is...One without a second...(THE pure DANCE)

Wanting things to be any different, than it already is--- IS like academic philosophers, lots of babble, no music.

THIS undefinable, ineffable, IS-ness.....already knows without knowing...In-tuition

''The one's who dance are thought insane by those who do not even hear the music''

Nice posts / information shared Drifter..... thanks for sharing your clarity.

[Drifter]

Who's razor? "God's?" Does he need a shave, or is "god" shaving us?

Thanks Meem, but very superficial [rather short of insight/depth] my friend...
The Four states of mind:
1. The Waking state [gross]
2. the Dream state [subtle]
3. The Deep or dreamless state[a.k.a. void/abyss]
4. Infinite consciousness [causal]

Between first and second state is screen of imagination/ideation.
Between second and fourth state is intuition [current/channel of the subtle/causal]which manifest through ideation/intention/volition; energy flows where attention goes. of course they are all inner inter-connected all the relative state of infinite consciousness expressing as these various 'notions'.
They have no more reality than a dream you might have, and then awaken from.
That's the price we pay. [ignorance is bliss] iow It all just happens. That's the nature of the infinite consciousness. [Google 56 Aphorisms on "consciousness without an object": ~Franklin Merrell Wolff or "Cosmic Consciousness"; ~Richard Maurice Bucke [both more modern, western mystics as well as Doctors] read; not dummies

Cut away all such notions, they are the sole product of Maya [delusion/ignorance].

The Razor's Edge, in the hands of an investigator, is naught but intelligent discernment.

A sword in the hands of a coward is useless..

Circumstances change truth.
But 'wisdom' changes circumstances, brother

Namaste`[The Spirit within me recognoses, honors and greets the Spirit within you]

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA [I bow to the Lord who resides within]

Surrender and acceptance will grace you with benevolence and good fortune my friend. e.g. "Consciousness without an object.", is infinite consciousness.

When you change the way you look at things,
The things you look at change.

[Drifter]

There are two kinds of consciousnesses inner and outer.
The inner one is 'pure thought' and the outer one is 'rational thinking'
Maybe there's conscious vs subconscious-- ?
a division of the first kind of consciousness?--thinking that can be pure and another thinking that is impure.
In reality every-thing that happens, happens firstly on a subconscious level.
Doing is done--no doer thereof.

It is when two people communicate in pure thought-- there are no misinterpretations, no corruption of information,
because it bypasses the consciousness and in doing so also bypasses the sometimes negative aspects of experience
which can lead to personal biases and emotional baggage
which can cloud a persons view of what is being communicated.


'Pure thought' eliminates all the problems and associated inconsistencies with what we call rational thought or if you will, conscious thought.
Therefore those ideas and concepts, which trouble a vast number of people are totally irrelevant.
'Pure Thought' as it's name implies, is incorruptible.

''Rational Thinking'' BLOCKS the purity of that which IS already perfect-- no need to add to it...(opinion)(interpretation)
This already perfect IS-ness-- is arising NOW-- as it is...One without a second...(THE pure DANCE)

Wanting things to be any different, than it already is--- IS like academic philosophers, lots of babble, no music.

THIS undefinable, ineffable, IS-ness.....already knows without knowing...In-tuition

''The one's who dance are thought insane by those who do not even hear the music''

Nice posts / information shared Drifter..... thanks for sharing your clarity.

Hi Mel, I always enjoy your, like-minded, posts.

Our conscience determines/sets our destiny, e.g. what else would we be conscious of...?imho

It's with us everywhere we go {conscience}, sees everything we do, has answers we cannot come up with, if we listen to it, and is an akashic [conscious] record of our relative consciousness when we leave this realm of all our thoughts, words, and deeds, will be held up to the light of infinite consciousness {Right/Truth} when there will be no place to hide from the ultimate discernment of proper or improper, relative to a moral and virtuous, time spent in delusion comparative to the untimate Brilliant virtues of brotherly/sisterly love and the ultimte right or wrong in our thinking, and our activities while in this womb of learning. Some will get to repeat the test until they get it right they can't/wont move on to grander realms of existence unknown to most of us here. imho

IOW; there will be an accounting of all things we have caused or manifested in this time warp known as relative consciousness or the waking state which is really nothing more than a blink of the eye of Brahman as in sleep, temporarily forgeting/limiting/constraining/intending, as it were its true nature, and in said blink of the eye, this existence is 'dreamt up' as a notion/intention/idea in the minds eye.

That, is our true essence. imho We are That infinite consciousness. Temporarily dreaming all this into exisence, which truthfully is as insubstantial in the infinite consciousness as a dream you may have had last night. When we awaken, the dream is nothing but a disolution and so the universes become world-appearance, rise and fall, are created and disolve, and the truth is what it is, infinite consciousness, and that's really all there is.

The ignorant/dense/asleep will get the opportunity to take the test again until they finally get it right, others, who got it finally, will move on to perhaps the more glorious realms of time and or being, as a purer consciousness devoid of such/much demarcation/demerit. Thus have I heard