Health Care Reform

[SB_UK]

... to have such a Legislative over them, as the Majority should approve, and freely acquiesce in ...

This won't (it will transpire) end up being a list of 100,001 rules -

because that doesn't (and can't) work -

how could it?

I can't even remember the age of my kids without asking someone which year we're in.

[Meem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kioyU...eature=related

[labelwench]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kioyU...eature=related

Although we seemingly have considerable choice in many matters, it is a study in psychology why we often choose behaviours which are detrimental to our well-being.

Often we choose paths that enchain us, rather than using our knowledge in ways that could be liberating. For all those presently shackled by past choices.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1lTX...eature=related

[eriqinmos]

enchained to what???

I read or heard, once that we often choose the path of least resistance....that we often try to choose most efficient ways of doing that which we do.. lol...evidently this is happening...

BUT the poplulation is enormous, around twice as much from last generation!!! wtf....no wonder things got so tangled up...Change is going to be twice as hard and stressful, by next generation..

One of my uncles decided not even to have children at all....despite being married...he's over 60 years old now..

and no-couple should ever have more than 2 children...not just MY opinion...it's MY wisdom.....OR else, I can see human flesh, being put on the menu...

this IS HAPPENING...

[SB_UK]

BUT the poplulation is enormous, around twice as much from last generation!!! wtf....no wonder things got so tangled up...Change is going to be twice as hard and stressful, by next generation..

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I sweat from discomfort in any place where there're people, can only handle being around people if they're happy to be ignored
- the daydream in dissociation as long as they do not require pleasantries.

~*~

I think therefore I cannot speak

is a perfect description of the ultra vivid internal scene.

~*~

Overpopulation is a problem as our resources wind down.

Being expected to have any physical interaction with another human being (apart from my wife and kids)
- my most pressing concern.

It feels a little as though my mind has examined the world and decided to retreat back into the place where the autistic mind lives -
- that same place though with capacity to interact
via writing and writing alone
with the 'outside' world.

This state feels like the end of the descent into an internal model of reality (ADDF::Stabile)
- a journey which the speciation of man was all about
- which the speciation of man has been all about completion.

[labelwench]

Often we choose paths that enchain us, rather than using our knowledge in ways that could be liberating. For all those presently shackled by past choices..... LW

enchained to what???

I read or heard, once that we often choose the path of least resistance....that we often try to choose most efficient ways of doing that which we do.. lol...evidently this is happening...
Originally by eriqinmos

One might venture to observe that the path of least resistance is not always the most efficient, especially when the consequences are factored in......

People find themselves enchained to an addictive substance (alcohol, drugs) or behavior (gambling); they find themselves an uplanned parent or the recipient of STD's, some life-threatening, through high-risk close encounters of an intimate nature ; they find themselves drowning in debt from easy credit and easier spending; or they may find themselves running in place, overwhelmed by the ever-increasing pace of life around them, through no apparent choice of their own, or perhaps a choice not made.....

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I sweat from discomfort in any place where there're people, can only handle being around people if they're happy to be ignored
- the daydream in dissociation as long as they do not require pleasantries.

Originally posted by SB__UK

Sometimes one is born into an environment of limited physical choices. At such times, it is important to understand how to retreat psychologically to a 'safe and nurturing environment' in order to recover from the circumstances of one's surrounds.

Even within the best of relationships, it is important, and perhaps imperative, to have some time for oneself, be it to recover, reflect or
re-source.....

Regards,

Labelwench

[Mikal]

enchained to what???

I read or heard, once that we often choose the path of least resistance....that we often try to choose most efficient ways of doing that which we do.. lol...evidently this is happening...

BUT the poplulation is enormous, around twice as much from last generation!!! wtf....no wonder things got so tangled up...Change is going to be twice as hard and stressful, by next generation..

One of my uncles decided not even to have children at all....despite being married...he's over 60 years old now..

and no-couple should ever have more than 2 children...not just MY opinion...it's MY wisdom.....OR else, I can see human flesh, being put on the menu...

this IS HAPPENING...

Hi Er...speaking of enchainment, my younger cousin enchained himself to a lovely country girl and being a carpenter he also enchained himself to a large acreage of farmland where he enchained himself to building a large house which he then filled with the love, laughter and joy of 13 children.
These are special children, healthy, happy and super polite because they were home taught and nourished by a Mom who refused to chain herself to the world idea that all women and mom's must work. DAD...worked and worked hard, and loved every minute of it cause he also enchained himself to his big, huge family.
He does not regret his choices, is one of the happiest and contented fellows I know. Mom after 13 children is healthy, happy and still a going concern.....

BEING ENCHAINED TO SUSTAINING A LOVING LIFE not only fills all the moments of their life together...but they have a million, billion little memories to sustain them right to the day they leave this big, old earth.....

I guess it all depends on how you look at enchainment!!

Regards Mikal

[eriqinmos]

People find themselves enchained to an addictive substance (alcohol, drugs) or behavior (gambling); they find themselves an uplanned parent or the recipient of STD's, some life-threatening, through high-risk close encounters of an intimate nature ; they find themselves drowning in debt from easy credit and easier spending; or they may find themselves running in place, overwhelmed by the ever-increasing pace of life around them, through no apparent choice of their own, or perhaps a choice not made.....

Yes this is true lori, but the credit card companies are being enchained to those who are spending all the money. Buying the smoker cigarettes...The nation and world, as a whole, is enchained to irresponsibility of the individual(s)..As I see it

off course it's excellent to break the very real chains of irresponsibility both conscious and unconscious..

OPTIONS! (CHOICES) and when the individual really doesn't have any kind of choice provided, which allows them to act, be protected, and sustained by a good/scientific/wise decision .. THOUGH-IF-NOT, it is a mono-view, and ignores the other dimensions....

BEING ENCHAINED TO SUSTAINING A LOVING LIFE

the decision to love each other, can be a burden or not...it's how you do it..And how you do it, LOL<, classifies your actions, universally self-accordingly..

with the love, laughter and joy of 13 children.

ahhhh 13 children?!!! do they lay eggs or something? no offense, but I disagree w/this generation doing such a thing,

what is that one movie w/Steve Martin??? I'm getting Deja Vu!.. haha

[SB_UK]

population control

Population control can be solved by understanding the following.

We have a population growth curve which is 'absolute' - relates to a process of nature (population growth dynamics) - which we cannot alter.

We (human beings)
- our population dynamic need {fulfil,follow} the pattern described in the population growth curve.

We're currently in a position where the Western World population is being thrown into reverse and where the Western World holds most of the wealth.

It's in the developing countries and particularly in the poorer parts of developing countries where population growth explodes.
Presumably the small amount of help which these areas are receiving is contributing to the general patten which we have observed in all communities (at some point in time) -
- that pattern towards the generation (Victorian England) of larger families.

So -
- we have one population growth curve

- and a population which is divided into two -

Western world - low family sizes, high wealth, high education
Developing world (parts) - high family sizes, high(low?) poverty, low education

Where the total world population (a single curve) is a composite of the total number of kiddies on planet Earth (east + west); the growth curve treats our species as 1 population
- economics (a manmade invention) leads to artificial separation.

I'm trying to suggest that by withholding money (hence education) from the poorer parts of the World -
- that the Western world is shooting itself in the head -

- because there's a knock-on effect in infant mortality rates, fertility ~etc~
in the Western World
which results from the other group (the poorest parts of the developing world)
- through having larger family units
in effect
'sucking up' more than their fair share of the 'fixed' population growth curve.

This argument isn't seeking to lay blame -
- it is (as Melanie states) as it is -
simply the mechanism of change;
the mechanism of change which 'God' puts in place.

Where 'God' isn't a man -
- is an unknowable real entity which (I realise now) from @@@'s list of the ten commandments
is an idea which contradicts the ten commandments.

The idolatry which people have been instructed to avoid (in the ten commandments) in relation to God is actually a statement that you can't know God in this way.
There is an attempt in this commandment to state that God is real and unknowable and no matter how tempting it is to imagine God as being an old bloke with a beard
- ATTENTION::CARE!
Not a bloke with a beard; that is but a comforting thought in the young as their minds grow to deserve (deserve and be able to handle) more.

~*~

We have the West sucking up more than its fair share of the wealth
resulting in
The poorest parts of the World sucking up more than their fair share of the fixed population growth curve.

A causal relationship.

It's really so clear (using this argument) -
- that inequality in wealth carries ... ... ...
- that we create our own dysfunctional populations by introduction of inequality.

Why does this argue differ from previous arguments which state these kinda' facts?

Simply, because the causal association between inequality in wealth and issues relating to {parental fertility,family dysfunction,chidren mortality rates} places self-interest as the motivation for the West (family units in the West), to change their policies towards poorer regions
- to change their policies -
to share
- for the benefit of their own Western family units(at least in the first case)

The selfish paradigm
(== Stage I structure (immature) of mind which predominates (gains expression) within all National governing party political rhetoric (stances)
- all of our current National political systems are a synonym for protectionism)
is best defeated by scientific arguments which introduce us to 'better' by appealing to selfishness.

At some point soon though we'll realise that selfishness (at the individual level (and formalized in political stances)) is set to burn itself out and be replaced by selfishness at the group (effectively what we Earthlings call altruism) level.

~*~

As soon as this argument is digested, we'll have a path to:

(i) Elimination of poverty
(ii) Equality (-> liberty) (period) through Economic equality (fraternity)
(iii) Elimination of ignorance (increased education with knock on effects (morality) described elsewhere)
(iv) A reduction in the seemingly relentless, unrelenting growth in the human population
- alongside increased quality of life in those remaining

In effect though -
- simply consequences which arise from realization of the state of mind or realityscape which crystallizes when the 'love' (which Jesus (and all great prophets) describes) 'gets it on'.

~*~

In the end all that one can state about the mind is
'I am ... ... ...'

~a paraphrase from a post which I'll never find again~

Explanation

Human beings define themselves as
'I am an X'
'I am a Y'

- creates the illusion of separation through definition of oneself as 'something'.

The problem is that defining oneself as an X implies that non-X people must exist
- creates division
- strengthens the illusion of separation
- takes us in the wrong direction.

The mind itself (as a higher level structure formed from all human minds) -
- that voice (the single~mind's voice) which speaks as we read -
as we think
(using words)
- inside our heads -

- that voice which you are listening to
as
you read
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[which is pausing in the space around reading this text (as we/you scroll down)]
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these words.

The problem is that defining oneself

as an X where non-X people exist
is a pattern of though which is doomed to failure (from the perspective of the mind itself) -
- because the voice which is being used is common to X AND non-X people

*To re-iterate* and more simply (using a metaphor) ->-

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Metaphor explaining the group mind using the local mind (for simplicity)

It's a little as though a single human being is stating that he is both X and non-X where being X precludes him from being non-X
- what happens next
and quite understandably
- is that the single logical structure of mind becomes corrupted -

- in order to handle (it, for itself) both of these 'fatally' contrary
contradictory arguments.

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The mind is seen to represent a single internally consistent logical model -
- a single internally consistent logical model or structure

- the structure of that logical structure is much like {anything,everything}
- the branching tree-like sub-structure of the lung (for instance) leaping to mind -

24 layers (reference - Symmorphosis)
- for reasons as detailed under the Rayleigh Number (~24) in wikiP/Lorenz attractor.

~*~

Each bifurcation leads to a 360/24 == 15 degree turn
- the ring cycle completes on 24*15==360 degree turn.

circular logic

(insert smilie with head quietly dislocating from its stalk, fallling off and rolling away

-> here <-)

[SB_UK]

Simple summary of the two parts of the post above

Part I
Inequality of wealth and our planetary population ballooning ever our of control represents a causal relationship to which equality in wealth is the solution.
Equality in wealth -> Increased education level -> Population reduction; this train of events may be considered as we do the spontaneous chemical reaction.

Part II
The mind is a single species level construct which is broken each time the human being (individual) seeks to define himself in some way which necessitates the existence of another ('lesser') set; sure one can follow the (for example) Christian message - though only if one truly deep down
can
feel
that it's no better than alternatives.

~*~

The message that there is no such thing as 'good and evil'
- simply the human mind
- understood
as an exercise in overcoming an evolutionary foible

that foible (our 'evil')
- the illusion of separateness

- the mind is ~one~.