Dear ToeQuestors.

[melanie]

Hi all……I'm a girl, and i'm on a science forum, usually dominated by boys.
Mainly, i just wanted to say, i've always been interested in how the universe came into being.
And also, that i love science, i mean i really love science.
I love reading, eating, breathing, sleeping, and discovering science, especially science that looks into the origins of the universe.
However, i am currently studying Metaphysical sciences, also, i have read an awful lot of esoteric material, so much so, it has practically fried my brain … lol
Anyway, my thirst for knowledge is un-quenchable, that's why i love reading and participating at this TQ forum.

It has never escaped my attention, that i allow my emotions to cloud my judgements, while posting at this forum.
I am aware of that, but i'm a girl, and that's how girls function, and that's not an excuse,it's genuine emotion.

A few days ago i said i wanted to leave the forum because i felt that my contributions had no worth what so ever.
It was after some other poster's comments, which made me wonder why i bother at all.

However, today i have received a PM from a very caring concerned person.
That person took the time out to write to me to say that they'd hope very much that i didn't leave the forum.
In fact, the message was so beautifully written that it made me cry.
Yes cry, it's really good to cry, people should cry more often, people probably do anyway, as crying is the most wonderful, healing and beautiful thing you can do, it reminds you that you are very much alive.
I wasn't crying out of sadness or anything like that, i was just so moved by the power of some very caring, and considerate words.

Anyhow, after no consideration at all ... lol I've decided to stay on here.

One thing that came to mind after reading the message was that the Toe forum can be a place for personal growth, a place where we can share our expectations, hopes and dreams,
a place where interaction becomes a meeting of minds, and to recognise these minds, as extensions / other sides of our own selves.
Also, here we can learn so much about,not only ourselves, but others too.
And in my mind that's a very good and positive thing anyone can do with their life, because what ever you are learning from life,good or bad, positive or negative, will always ripple out and affect the greater reality.
We are always learning something new everyday, newness never ends, inspiration comes from tired and worn out worlds, staleness and stagnation has no place in an evolving world.

As for feelings, everybody can't help but get their personal feelings involved at one point or another whilst posting their view points.
It's only natural, it's only human, nobody is made of cold cast iron, anyone who denies their emotions, are usually kidding themselves, because we are all guilty of getting them involved, the emotions do get involved, even if they are projected in a very subtle manner.
There's nothing wrong with emotion, it's how we come to know ourselves and others, it's how we grow.
It's not easy talking to complete strangers over the internet, about our passionate personal subjects,and it's even harder when people don't agree, or even understand our point's of view' and my mum always taught me, never to speak to strangers....lol so it's not easy.

So, i think we all do pretty well with each other considering, i see some of the long service members here have become quite close and friendly with one another, so feelings are bound to get raw sometimes, but it's only because we care.
If we didn't care, we would never take things to heart, or give a hoot.
And that's what living is all about in my world, it's about caring, but we're only human, and i for one, am not the best of communicators, i'm not patient, but i'm learning to be that, thanks to you great guys here at the Toe, your brilliant and wonderfully expressive minds are the very reasons, i want to stay and post here.
I've come to learn so much, and while i find everyone's view points absolutely fascinating.
I'm also learning a lot of things about myself, i'm talking about, learning how to conduct myself properly, and communicate with other's in a positive manner, and stuff like that.

I've had many a moment, where i've thought to myself, why do i bother posting, if people are just going to mock my pov's,
then, something completely unexpected happens, like todays message which helped me to realise that it's all worth it in the end.

Thank you dearest beloved person for your very moving message, and it would be a pleasure to continue posting here.

I'm a sucker for love, and love WINS every time.

Mel.

[Bogie]

It is good to know that someone here cares enough about people's feelings that they would have sent you such a message. Will the secret messenger please stand up .

Reading the part about your interest in the physical universe and the metaphysical, I will say that you are covering the whole picture. The reason I decided to post is because when I see someone looking for how the universe came into being I understand the search. I often feel compelled to offer my view of the three basic explanations for the existence of the universe for your consideration:

God created the physical universe
The physical universe came from nothing on its own
The physical universe has always existed

To take this reasoning one step further, when you decide which explanation you find best fits your views, then the connection can be made between the physical universe and the metaphysical. Each alternative leads to a different view of the eternal. If God did it, the eternal is God. If it came from nothing the eternal is the nothingness that preceded the physical. If the universe has always existed the eternal is the universe itself.

My view is that the universe has always existed and my metaphysical view is that a universe that has always existed meets the entry level requirement for God, i.e. eternal.

Glad you posted your thinking and that you shared getting that private message from one of us.

[melanie]

Thank-You for your reply Bogie, very enjoyable to read... I'm very much in accordance with your views points.

How wonder_full


Ting!





P.S. btw, welcome to the quest.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Welcome back the forum;
More humor to come.

[melanie]

..........

[austintorn@aol.com]

She is the one, of so much fun;
She is one become of the One.

[austintorn@aol.com]

REALITY FABRICATION

Take a pencil and feel a texture with it
You seem to feel it at the pencil’s tip;
But, you have no sense organs way out there;
So—the brain fabricates reality!

All you see is the inside of your head,
A model. You don’t believe it, you say;
Well, it’s the same model seen in your dreams,
With your eyes closed and you in darkness, too!

All we see are the insides of our heads—
A wide-awake dream. What’s really out there,
I suppose, are waves and fields, which our minds
Sense in representative ways, like red.

Not only is seeing inside the head,
But also the hard-soft-texture of touch,
The scents of molecule shapes, and the sounds
Of air waves, again, as in a night-dream.

Absolute Reality is scentless,
Colorless, and quite soundless; however,
Sense organs detect waves and vibrations—
Such—all reality’s fabricated.

A virtual reality can be
Enjoyed and directed in lucid dreams,
Where one can do anything at all, without
Injury or penalty, with real feel!

A simple four-way lookup senses taste
By degrees of bitter, salt, sweet, and sour,
And, likewise done, the three-way colors,
And ten-plus-way facial recognition.

Brains have parallel processors for form,
Texture, color, and depth—and a quick one
For motion detection—which all combine
Later as what we see in unity.

Consciousness is referred back in time a bit,
Like the tape-delay of a live TV show,
To hide the brain’s processing time from us,
Making things seem to happen instantly.

The now is ten-forty-fourths of a second long,
The frequency at which events appear over
The horizon of consciousness, the succession
Of which gives us the illusion of time passing.

A hormoned hunger pang, midway between a
Pain and a withdrawal symptom, makes us
Run, run, run to eat—well, that’s OK, until
Another hormone signals satiation.

Bonding hormones bring us closer together,
Pheromoning into lust, love, and relationships
Spurred onward by love-made endorphins—and, so,
Yes, there can be chemistry between people.

People are but machines going the way
Of their brains, genetics, and chemicals
But, you, learning these secrets, rise above,
For, at least, you know you're a machine.

[Bogie]

REALITY FABRICATION

...

People are but machines going the way
Of their brains, genetics, and chemicals
But, you, learning these secrets, rise above,
For, at least, you know you're a machine.

I've often thought about the difference between what we sense and what the reality is. We think we can see through space but really light arrives to us through space and we see what strikes the retina. And we are so good at converting those images that we can experience the room we are in in all of its detail, noting the slightest change in perspective. All the senses are tools that we learn to use with skill to allow us to experience life and the world around us. But we seem to have something non algorithmic to us that would make me say we are more than machines. What is that thing?

[melanie]

We are non-conscious biological machines driven by conscious will.

Let that will be done and not our own.

The emerging phantom from this non-conscious state begins to takes on a life of it's own via sensation....that's us, the human.

We learned to communicate through language, but all is conceptual, the I was born, but you are before that birth of the conceptual I

Life is very abstract.....it's not real. It only appears real.... it is illusory to the senses.

You are the storm that was born(senses) In the middle of every storm there is an eye that is unaffected by the storm.

You are that eye ( I )

[melanie]

"Nothing said or written can be IT and yet, everything is IT.

Just like all objects appearing in space simultaneously
are and are not the space they appear in, as beyond the
subatomic level they ‘collapse’ into energy/space.

In the same way, all that appears in IT/Awareness dissolves into
IT/Awareness."