Invisible Realms

[melanie]

Do invisible realms exist or do they not ?

Are invisible realms true or false ?

[austintorn@aol.com]

"Could-be's" are always true and always false in their limbo until they are either shown to be actual or impossible as self-contradictory.

Believing without proof is evident, and so it must be a part of the human condition for some, whether for comfort, a continuation of influences past, or of evolutionary origin, such as a false positive causing no harm, like the supposed 'bear' turns out not to be there, but is always good to suspect, for if it is one could be a goner.

It's still a double error in thinking to still strongly go for what is invisible while also totally rejecting what really is. The only possible error left to make is to then preach it as truth.

[melanie]

Thanks for your reply Austin.

What about ART - doesn't it make visible the invisible?

What about the seer of the seen?

There can be no seer without the seen.

What or who is seeing?

The seer cannot be seen.

If the eye does not see itself, how can it see form?

The eye and form are without self.


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So what does this mean?

It means life is a mirage - it is the visible manifestation of the invisible.

[melanie]

So what does this mean?

It means life is a mirage - it is the visible manifestation of the invisible.

On seeing the invisible one abandons desire, delusion, war, hatred, and gains nirvana.

All bads views are seen for what they REALLY are = ZERO / NOTHING

[melanie]

Believing without proof is evident, and so it must be a part of the human condition for some, whether for comfort.

Is it a comfort to believe in an imagined self ?

Better an imagined self than no self at all.

[labelwench]

Do invisible realms exist or do they not ?

Are invisible realms true or false ?

An interesting thread starter, Melanie.

I sometimes contemplate that while we observe the world in three dimensions, the perspective that we are observing from remains invisible to our physical senses.

As you and others have discussed in other threads, 'who' is doing the observing?

We observe from a perspective that is unique to each.

The 'fourth' dimension?

Invisible to our biological self at least.....

I am such a simple creature, lol, but that's okay with me.

("I won't care 100 years from now....", the words to a bluegrass song playing in the background.)

[austintorn@aol.com]

What about ART - doesn't it make visible the invisible?

It paints a rendition of what has been seen or imagined.

What about the seer of the seen?

A person.

There can be no seer without the seen.

The person takes in externals or internals.

What or who is seeing?

A person.

The seer cannot be seen.

I have seen myself and others.

If the eye does not see itself, how can it see form?

Look in a mirror. At an eye exam one can even see the blood vessels within the eye.

The eye and form are without self.

The self is of the brain.

So what does this mean?

It means life is a mirage - it is the visible manifestation of the invisible.

Nope. It’s a fine interpretation of what is there.

Is it a comfort to believe in an imagined self ?

Better an imagined self than no self at all.

The impatient brain wants answers, and so it may be a comfort to believe in invisible realms,

The self exists.

[Graybeard]

On seeing the invisible one abandons desire, delusion, war, hatred, and gains nirvana.

If you haven't yet gained Nirvana .... then how do you know ??

I sometimes contemplate that while we observe the world in three dimensions, the perspective that we are observing from remains invisible to our physical senses.

All perspectives are invisible ... they are concepts ... macro summations of myriad events ?

cool bananas ... greg

[labelwench]

Originally Posted by labelwench
I sometimes contemplate that while we observe the world in three dimensions, the perspective that we are observing from remains invisible to our physical senses.

All perspectives are invisible ... they are concepts ... macro summations of myriad events ?

cool bananas ... greg

So....., do perspectives constitute an 'invisible realm'?

In contemplating your reply, how do you 'know' this?

[Graybeard]

So....., do perspectives constitute an 'invisible realm'?

In contemplating your reply, how do you 'know' this?

No ... ?

Imagination ..... is a macro activity. Necessary for complex multi cell functioning. Ants have a colony, unknown to the ants, even the queen. The colony holds information, and it communicates its needs via chemicals that are passed between individuals thru grooming.

Imagination allows for an 'outside' view.

The colony does not exist in reality, only ants ..... but thru actions each ant behaves to form a colony to an observer.... it is an imaginary formation ...

Imagination allows me to plumb the depths of imagination. The Universe has no law against this. I understand that I am just a collection of individual cells, and that these cells require a governing body, and that these cells must accept a benevolent dictatorship in order to survive. And that the dictatorship requires a coherent concept that does (by no means) have to match the reality .... as long as its practices support life.

Sorry if this is confusing ... also this is always going to be a sticking point between you and I ...

cool bananas ... greg (thanks for the opportunity)