[dleviwing]

Hi Mike;
It seems your 60 days are up and none of your predictions came to pass.
Though many may find your system entertaining and amusing, I do not believe it is going to qualify as a scientific endeavor nor do I expect it to replace astrology.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Hi Mike; It seems your 60 days are up and none of your predictions came to pass. Though many may find your system entertaining and amusing, I do not believe it is going to qualify as a scientific endeavor nor do I expect it to replace astrology.

Thanks for the feedback Dave, I hope you checked this with an open mind and accurate understanding. I cannot remember the details, my interest is structure and I seem remember something you are referring to but not on any topic in this thread. As your focus is on me, not science, I get a disturbing feeling that you are deeply disappointed with my honest attempt to establish facts and linkages that are efficient and useful.

Surely you misinterpreted something as my prediction, the systems I use are mechanical, I try not to intervene. I remain innocent to your charges.

I find the search for valid explanations and mathematics neither entertaining nor amusing and I see you digging a knife in with such condescending remarks. I find it reckless, annoying, and frustrating. And exhilirating.

I also think you might have more specific feedback as to what happened and to what you are referring - language is a very limited form - no amount of words can express a simple animal or bird, let alone experience, and the form of words is not actually the reality of any process or form. The point is whether there are rhythms and cycles in the world, are they regular or irregular, and is that irregularity actually a complex but calculable interaction.

I was shocked during my visit to New York to find signs that Human Design (q.v.) will catch on among certain media professionals. Not because they are logical, unfortunately, but because they need efficient tools that work, and I find that astonishing, these are busy and professional people, and I feel I want to see this at closer quarters in case they are correct. I was seeking skilled logicians who are unwilling to resort to any beliefs, show business can be superstitious, so we will see. I think you too are focussing on false things - belief, entertainment, prediction, and astrology, and I remain clear where I stand, however clumsily I express myself at times.

To remind you, it appears to me that the topic of this thread is Fractal Dialectics as a Theorem and Conjecture within Mathematics. I certainly think you are off topic, and you are in fact replying to either your frustration and disappoinment with me personally, in an attempt to warn others by the style I see here, or the topic of Human Design. Human Design is a possible Theory of Everything, posted elsewhere, and personally I find precision in such matters useful and courteous. However, I have been a terrible offender in such matters, it is easily done if not nipped in the bud.

Be well. It is still technically the season of goodwill, until midnight tomorrow (Twelfth Night) at least...

[Mike 5]

BEZIER & the Umbilical cord

It is obvious that I have found it immensely difficult to express Fractal Dialectics clearly.

If there is anyone with any patience left to read this, I’d like to thank you and ignoring the salt being rubbed into the whiplash wounds, comment on the significance of the Bezier curve.

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Imagine vector A, which is defined by a position in space and it’s direction and force, represented here by an arrow. B is a totally separate position with it’s own direction and its own force. They are each minding their own business, and will continue to do so, blissfully unaware of any other existence

These exist in their own realms. We see both. But through the genius of a Swiss mathematician, by viewing these independent vectors by a mechanical process while each remains oblivious to our new interpretation, something else is also there.

A single flowing curve, and there is only one curve possible, joins these two vectors and is known as a Bezier curve after the mathematician Paul Bezier. Vector graphics use Bezier curves, and the Adobe company – famous for Fonts, Adobe Acrobat and its pdf files, and Adobe Photoshop – were among the first to revolutionise graphic capabilities with the way so few positions, each with their own STRAIGHT length, efficiently map curves. Bezier released computer fonts from the dot matrix.

I want to use Bezier to express for now what I mean by DIALECTICS.

The point is that each of the vectors remains untarnished, untouched, taken alone. But something beyond the straight line vector occurs through JUXTAPOSITION.

Now JUXTAPOSITION is the central fact of Fractal Dialectics. For as soon as I had a theory of how things can divide up, JUXTAPOSITION – the way things touched or influenced each other – this was the key that made it all come to life.

So something that was not there before, is there immeidately two different things are juxtaposed. Yet each thing remains unmixed – and take away vector B, and there is our friend vector A, as always, minding his own business. This is very different from normal ways of thinking. Guilty until proven innocent. Dead or alive. Girl or Boy. Normal thinking is not dialectic but binary digital. Fractal Dialectics remains analogue, the search is always on beneath the appearance for the underlying tension and extremes that must be there to form the appearance. Someone could be both guilty and innocent, it actually depends on how you view it or word the accusation. A person could perhaps exist as a zombie or a vegetable on life support. A boy may truly feel he is a girl to the point of suicidal tendencies. Even so, take away the dialectic, the tension, take away the pressure as it were to be this or that, and the person exists in their own style, the flow is there, and you can even find new reference points to discuss what phenomena are and how they may connect together.

Once you grasp this, can you apply this recursively as an algorithm? Certainly. The recursive or fractal process is difficult for most people to imagine, but I wonder if the word UMBILICAL helps us to grasp the essence here. Babies emerge from the womb linked umbilically to their mother for nutrition and so on. That link is then cut, but it is a very real thing – I cut through two of them for my own children and it is like cutting a rubber tube on a bunsen burner. Very physical. And we do not tend to think of Fractals as physical but for me, they are. I don’t know if that analogy helps – I am seeking the actual mathematics of the Gods, of nature, whatever, of reality, and have to say the existing models are inadequate and anthropomorphic to specifically trade and war and little else. Maths as we know it reduces our world to things to be traded or fought over, but the umbilical worldview of the tribal shaman linked every birth back and back and back ultimately to the tribal creation myth, and everybody has VALUE and a place within the whole.

So in summary, I am not sure if I have been distracted by my earlier insistence on oscillation as sine waves (because all material things rotate and sine waves map rotation). And Fourrier analysis to reduce all analogue data to nested (fractal) sinewaves.

When I came to draw those sine waves I used Bezier curves, it is close enough if you arrange the vectors A and B to form any diamond or rhombus.

However the use of Vector graphics in computing shows their application, efficience, and power.

I still think I have not explained this adequately.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by dleviwing I do not believe it is going to qualify as a scientific endeavor.

This word endeavour caught my eye because of the American spelling.

Science is method, there is no qualification, no priesthood. Nothing to believe. It is available to a child in primary school and actually natural to our species.

As is belief. Belief is the anecdotal masquerading as fact. Logic is the pattern established over time through repeated and increasingly skilful testing.

I am tempted now to move back to that boring subject, Human Design and to take your quote back there to compare it to your chart. That is science. And I grow confident, my former friend, or future ally, I grow confident that my method returns to better and better form...