[RascalPuff]

Timelessness is said to result with absence of all motion - such as in a (so far unobserved, unachieved) condition of 'Absolute Zero' (-273o C. -459o F.)

Timelessness is also said to result if and when any physical entity moves at the speed of light (C = 186,282 mps).

In this consideration it seems that two opposites - the absence of motion (at microcosmic infinity), and ultimate motion at the speed of light (macrocosmic infinity) - equal timelessness.

It is also noteworthy, until further notice, that neither of these two extreme conditions have been attained in experimental physics. That is to say, cyclotron speeds approach but do not equal that of light, and cryogenic experiments (Bose-Einstein condensations; etc) approach but do not equal that of Absolute Zero. Opposite ends of the motion spectrum establish 'timelessness' (cessation of all motion): established by maximum motion and zero motion.
That these two antithetical considerations of maximum and minimum motion should both result in timelessness, draws attention to itself. I call it the 'motion spectrum enigma', and submit that there are yet to be recognized solutions here - solutions which may evoke more advanced questions and answers.
May the Reader please draw and express their own conclusions.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks RP,what is the purpose of motion? I would suggest,that motion is necessary
for "life principle" to become objectified,and evolve according to the original "idea"
"motioned" into existence by the "will".

The implication for any motion whether it be orbital,or straightish from A to B,is that
there is an "objective" to fulfil,and within relativity and temporal space,that motion
is justified in order to fufil the principle of evolution,as directed by the "will".


We are caught up within the illusion of motion (for that is what it really is!)and fail to
understand or comprehend the "eternal now"where no-thing ever happens,where the
very idea of movement or motion would be totally absurd and ridiculous.

LIFE IS, when you are absolute,and present absolutely everywhere,simultaneosly,
where you are everywhere and nowhere at the same instant,then where could you
possibly go to where you were not already present at????

We are caught up within an illusion,then try to make sense out of that which is unreal!
Is it any wonder that confusion sets in?

Absolute zero is very cold,light speed is very fast,so what does this suggest?A cold
illusion? and a very fast illusion?


regards michael.

[RascalPuff]

Dear Michael:

You - and other Readers here at T.O.E. - may be familiar with the following series of quotes - I expect they may be aligned with your personal philosophical gestalt (and that of many others), if you will. In any case please consider them a review of what is germane to our incumbent dialogue. Please tell me what your views are regarding these relevant excerpts from the provided sources. Hopefully they contribute to achievement of the collective, simple yet detailed goal we are all in search of together - what is more paradoxical than enigmatic; what is more misunderstood and ignored, than accomodated and attended to.
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An introductory note from Karene Jade Howie and Geoffry Haselhurst:

Below are some relevant quotes that we hope you find interesting / illuminating! The three central points are;
i) The underlying dynamic unity of reality (which the Wave Structure of Matter in Space clearly explains) has been known for thousands of years (though this has largely been ignored by western scientists, Einstein, Schrodinger and Bohm are the exceptions).
ii) If you want to change / improve the world, well it is up to you, and it requires knowledge of truth, and thus reality.
iii) The discovery of reality is obviously the most profound knowledge that we can have, and given human nature, it is also the most difficult to get fairly considered by science / society. Few people have enough knowledge to judge it sensibly / logically, and those who do tend to be corrupted by the current postmodern view of 'no absolute truths' thus ignore it. (Which is why we need your help in getting these pages to rank well on the Internet!)
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(Margaret Mead) Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has.

(Albert Einstein) The free, unhampered exchange of ideas and scientific conclusions is necessary for the sound development of science, as it is in all spheres of cultural life. ...
We must not conceal from ourselves that no improvement in the present depressing situation is possible without a severe struggle; for the handful of those who are really determined to do something is minute in comparison with the mass of the lukewarm and the misguided. ... Humanity is going to need a substantially new way of thinking if it is to survive.
When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ...
Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended (as fields). In this way the concept 'empty space' loses its meaning. ... The field thus becomes an irreducible element of physical description, irreducible in the same sense as the concept of matter (particles) in the theory of Newton. ... The physical reality of space is represented by a field whose components are continuous functions of four independent variables - the co-ordinates of space and time. Since the theory of general relatively implies the representation of physical reality by a continuous field, the concept of particles or material points cannot play a fundamental part, nor can the concept of motion. The particle can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or the energy density are particularly high.
The subtlety of the concept of space was enhanced by the discovery that there exist no completely rigid bodies. All bodies are elastically deformable.
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(Lee Smolin, 1997) A successful unification of quantum theory and relativity would necessarily be a theory of the universe as a whole. It would tell us, as Aristotle and Newton did before, what space and time are, what the cosmos is, what things are made of, and what kind of laws those things obey. Such a theory will bring about a radical shift - a revolution - in our understanding of what nature is. It must also have wide repercussions, and will likely bring about, or contribute to, a shift in our understanding of ourselves and our relationship to the rest of the universe.
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(Erwin Schrodinger) What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but shapes and variations in the structure of space. Particles are just schaumkommen (appearances). ... The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist. ... Let me say at the outset, that in this discourse, I am opposing not a few special statements of quantum mechanics held today (1950s), I am opposing as it were the whole of it, I am opposing its basic views that have been shaped 25 years ago, when Max Born put forward his probability interpretation, which was accepted by almost everybody. ... I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it. ... The scientist only imposes two things, namely truth and sincerity, imposes them upon himself and upon other scientists.
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(David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, 1980) The notion that all these fragments is separately existent is evidently an illusion, and this illusion cannot do other than lead to endless conflict and confusion. Indeed, the attempt to live according to the notion that the fragments are really separate is, in essence, what has led to the growing series of extremely urgent crises that is confronting us today. Thus, as is now well known, this way of life has brought about pollution, destruction of the balance of nature, over-population, world-wide economic and political disorder and the creation of an overall environment that is neither physically nor mentally healthy for most of the people who live in it. Individually there has developed a widespread feeling of helplessness and despair, in the face of what seems to be an overwhelming mass of disparate social forces, going beyond the control and even the comprehension of the human beings who are caught up in it.
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(Rachel Carson) We stand now where two roads diverge. But unlike the roads in Robert Frost's familiar poem, they are not equally fair. The road we have long been traveling is deceptively easy, a smooth superhighway on which we progress with great speed, but at its end lies disaster. The other fork of the road - the one 'less traveled by' - offers our last, our only chance to reach a destination that assures the preservation of the earth. The choice, after all, is ours to make.
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Best regards, RP

[RascalPuff]

Accidental double entry - deleted second entry.

[mkirkpatrick]

Albert Einstein,and Lee Smolin get my vote on your interesting little list,I also have a
soft spot for Prof-Hawkins.

Motion is the energy of the will,expressing itself in relative terms,to fufil its intended
cycle.


regards michael.