[dleviwing]

What is cause-and-effect?

The ideal scientific goal is to find a fundamental common concept that will reduce all our measurements and mathematical equations to a simple an unique paradigm of physical philosophy. This philosophy will provide the logical path from the start of our universe and hold true through any and all phenomena to the present state of the cosmos. We understand the philosophy behind the workings of a computer by reducing it to the basics fundamental idea of a switch position of "ON" or "OFF". Regardless of how complex a computer seems to be, the root philosophy remains simple and can be followed into all aspects of the computer and its programming. The ideal concept behind the workings of the universe would also have a similar simplicity at its base fundamental root.

[mkirkpatrick]

Great start for a thread Dave,what is cause and effect and what are the bass fundamental root! The on-off switch! For me the on switch is a massless-mass intention, an Idea of forming, that became informing (forming from within) I mean. That was the cause; the effect is that the Idea of mind became form(matter) mass,energy,and is evident throughout the universe,if you trace energy back till you arrive at that Switch; then energy will shade into thought; Many leading minds of today are also saying the same; energy is mind in its finest form and heavy matter in its densest form. We look for simplicity, and when we find it, we seem to turn our backs to it, and start looking for a More Complex answer.
keep it simple-keep it real.

kind regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Michael;
I guess I wasn't viewing the philosophy as being one with the frailties of a human nature.

[Slaviks]

Originally Posted by dleviwing The ideal scientific goal is to find a fundamental common concept that will reduce all our measurements and mathematical equations to a simple an unique paradigm of physical philosophy.

What make you (and others) to believe in such a paradigm?
I see no reason (at least derived from fundamental physics) to accept such all-encompassing reductionism as a foundation for one's philosophy.

[dleviwing]

How long have you been studying physics Slaviks? The evidence is apparent once you get through the sales hype of the scientific dogma and those who wish to impress you with their intellect.

[Mr. Nobody]

We have that already and its called "Evolution"

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Michael; I guess I wasn't viewing the philosophy as being one with the frailties of a human nature.

Its the biggest one, old chap!purely an opinion of course!
regards michael.

[Mr. Nobody]

I think that the example of complex machineries such as computers is the perfect example of why fundamental concepts will never explain all phenomena. Emerging properties are only subject to an evolutionary path to higher order. That is why I think that even if we find the underlying TOE it will answer nothing, as the on/off circuitry within a computer answers nothing compared to the array of blinding applications for the computer

[dleviwing]

Mr. Nobody;
The question to ask is: What raw fundamental entities does nature have to work with to produce all the blinding applications of reality; especially life itself?
You may find that nature has only a finite number of absolutes to work with. Our measured terms are quite likely only interactions of the absolutes of motion and bonding. No mystical places, just simple 3D volume.

[mkirkpatrick]

Interesting dave,nature has only a finite number of absolutes to work with?
I do realize that this is only a considered opinion!Motion and bonding,are we
bonding here dave?What is behind motion=the Motioneer!What is behind
bonding=the bondallhere!And what keeps them all together "cosy-like",
just like you and me!Well that would be intention,the intent is to bond,"like
attracts like"(a universal law by the way) and the motion is the action of
intent,realised in "time and space" and focussed via a point,or to put it
simply via a dimensional doorway,a singularity.
maybe this is too philosopical,who know!

regards michael.