[harmonygirl]

I realized after I posted that I didn't mean our brains were puny, it's actually that we don't use them to capacity (or barely at all!) PoPpAscience, I agree that the approach must be wholistic, unfortunately, there are very few of us (if any!) that come without preconceptions in one form or another. (once again, maybe if we used more of our grey matter....)

[PoPpAScience]

I agree harmony girl, the use of more gray matter. Even though I've only been in this forum this month. I do find the use of more gray matter here, then I have anywhere else. I find it very exciting.

But I do see room for even more growth. More use of the gray matter. There's very important aspects of reality that are still not being touched on, anywhere. But maybe they are, somewhere here in this forum, that I have not read yet.

[WithoutMe]

The most obvious thing in the world is the most difficult to find.

Regards,
wM.

[ANDY J]

Originally Posted by baudrunner Again, mathematics is the holy grail. (I am being sarcastic) The truth can be compared to the trunk of the tree of knowledge. If one stays with the trunk and does not digress then more truth is more easily acquired. Simple explanations resolve problems. But when one diverts from the truth, ie. branches out, the further one digresses, the more one leans on mathematics to prove the untrue facts that one encounters along the way. More digression leads to more math, until the point of theory is lost to the reader in a jumble of equations and numbers that only serve to confuse, bewilder, and impress. There is no denying that there is knowledge there and facts abounding, but facts and knowledge do not always represent the truth. In my experience, the less sense one makes, the less one has resorted to practical explanation and the more one has turned to mathematical modelling. There are only too many clipboard carrying, white lab coat wearing wanabees who will shove their notes under your nose and point to the math but when asked for a simple explanation only draw a blank. They just can't. They don't get my respect.

I saw a program on the TV about using home computers to compute weather programs and predict future global warming possibility's with only 20000 home computers on line this was more computing power than the most powerful[known] computer in the world when working as one,this got me thinking that what we are doing on this site is very similar.
Some people like to use maths others use their imagination and thought the most progress will be made as a united front.

[HappytheStripper]

Originally Posted by davidfell@gmail.com With all the billions of phenomena in the universe there has to a simple solution to explain everything and it will has to be very generic and basic to complete such a complex task. Physicists have set the rules of what the solution should be, so will they ever accept a simple solution which will explain everything. But it is not only physicists who are guilty, everyone has expectations of what it should be rather than what it simply is.

Billions of wonders eh?? Thats what "phenomenon" is.. a wonder. Billions is only an appearance of that which you wonder about.. quite simple actually.. the more thought given to this wonder.. the more complexity you add.. giving the perception of many.. its like a code of simplicity in that... nothing is simple without adding first... complexity. Just in case you wondered... the solution is so simple... it is nothing in appearance... and therefore may never be fully accepted by all even if proven by a mathematical equation... There is always some variant..

The solution is of course generic in that it is historically common. However whilst the search is still in progress... the solution will remain at its intermediary level of understanding genetic encoding.. this level of thinking becomes a negotiation of a rather complex nature and requires very basic logic to unravel... a bit like unpicking sewing by hand... this logic is being of sequential order. There is an order to everything... and a point of existance for everything... The task of unfolding the solution requires sifting through the embers where time met space for it is here where you may find the originating code of knowledge we all seek... A complex task?? Maybe!! Whatever the level of understanding you are at... what we know is only a channel of details negotiating for space like a vehicle in motion... the main source of your answer is tertiary and dependant upon on what you already know and/or the amount of information you are able to contain??

If there is a simple set of rules... then why havent physicists figured it out?? What are physicists guilty of and what exactly do you think they expect... and then.. at the end of the sentence... why expect anything at all... expectation may confuse an already distorted view... so... be aware its really nothing at all even when you add matter... and you may be disappointed as that is where expectation leads... It happens when you least expect it... and what you thought it might be... is often not what you had in mind... but rather a variation of... Maybe... you need more than just a physicist... with varying backgrounds of information... where the knowledge held may broaden the horizontal light... who knows???

Remember learning about the quest for discovery of the western world in the 1500?? An expedition required the talents of many skilled men in very specific areas... areas of talent that contributed largely to the discovery of the world... Universe... and oceans.... we never dreamed possible... we knew it was possible!

Upon replying to your thread... I wonder... "If the theory of everything needs a mathematical equation to explain its existance and to be proven and accepted... how many computers do you think it would take to calculate such an equation... and I ask this question mostly as... the worlds largest prime number is so great... it would take the worlds computers many hours of input and time to calculate... not to mention man power... It has taken 13 billion years to get to this point of existance... how much space do you think is needed by man in his quest for the theory of everything to be solved and accepted?? What do you think???

And did not Kings and Queens accept in light of physical evidence???

[HappytheStripper]

Originally Posted by PoPpAScience I agree harmony girl, the use of more gray matter. Even though I've only been in this forum this month. I do find the use of more gray matter here, then I have anywhere else. I find it very exciting. But I do see room for even more growth. More use of the gray matter. There's very important aspects of reality that are still not being touched on, anywhere. But maybe they are, somewhere here in this forum, that I have not read yet.

Whoa!!! Hold tight Poppa... Grey Matter is firstly physical and thanks... all I need is an equation or 4 to unravel and discover the theory of everything... and Grey Matter is a categorically defined as tissue that holds the nerves of the brain matter together... Do You still think we need more grey matter??? Maybe a few extra cells wouldnt go amiss... Id find that more useful than the matter that keeps em alive... I had a few die last week...

Grey Matter may be perceived initially as nervous tissue with many nerve cell bodies and a few axons as this is what we are taught in biology... and it is all miraculously held together by a piece of string... at least I think it is... no one person is a hundred percent sure about the string as no one person knows where this piece of string begins... In appearance Grey Matter may seem reddish-grey in colour... it forms superficial parts of the brain... this being capable of expansion... and deep parts of the spinal cord... this being a backbone capable of holding relevant information over much time... It is composed of nerve cells or neurons... which emerge on an impulse generated by all kinds of mental functions and carried to their desired location...

Therefore in all logic... grey matter may be perceived as the line the pencil drew between two specific points... better understood as the link or information processing center of the brain. White matter is understood to be responsible for transmitting the information contained within the shades of Grey...

I wonder "do you ask for more grey matter... based on the preconceived idea that... as humans we use less than 20 percent of our brain... yet we are designed physically to use more... just not taugh how???

I think maybe you have the grey matter confused with the actual information and this can distort the information processing center causing an overload of imformation and no processor... matter then becomes useless information... creating a rather chaotic view... as the processor is the light needed to contain the information and process it as knowledge... processing information in darkness may form in chaotic order... information with no particular place to function or sequence to follow...This may be damaging to the mind and cause split minds... Although Itd be nice to wind a ball of string around the world library of knowledge and sew it together with a needle... sewing - unpicking - restitching logic that makes complete sense... without question!!!

Yes... the search for TOE is exciting... I suggest very important aspects of reality defy any logic by societal ideas and laws of physics... this may explain what you see as a lack of subjects being touched upon... although I also suggest You read up... as the solution to TOE is so simple that it has probably already been written... You just havent read it yet??? It may exist somewhere in this forum and it may be waiting for you to write???

What do you think???

[thomas cuny]

See "The Life of the Cosmos" by Lee Smolin for the foundation for TOE.
Basically it is " simple,relational,background free".
At one time it was believed that the Earth was the center of the solar system. The conversion to a sun centered (mass centered) solar system
was difficult. A similar conversion must be done for the universe. The
universe does not consist of space and time. Some people already accept
that space and time must be given up. See "Warped Passages" page 454
by Lisa Randall.

[mkirkpatrick]

I have not seen the book,but you make an interesting point about centres changing!

kind regards michael.

[davidfell@gmail.com]

In explaining any phenomena fewer assumptions are best, yet every one has a long list of what is expected of the solution to the Theory of Everything.

An open mind is required to be able to be accept the simplicity of the solution, which is a set of natural principles brought together in a simple model or format.

It is not the responsibily of the solution to be able to immediately explain everything, say in physics, but it is for physicists, like any other faculty to apply these principles to further explain their own phenomena.

[humanbydefault]

Originally Posted by davidfell@gmail.com "...An open mind is required to be able to be accept the simplicity of the solution, which is a set of natural principles brought together in a simple model or format".

I agree with this view of the so-called final solution. It's not going to take hundreds of computer-memories and billions of "gigas" to figure out "the magic equation"... It will only take a responsible and objective acknowledgement of how the universe works >>> Quite a task I guess!
If you asked me if we ever would be able to fly without airplanes and helicopters my answer would be YES! I have no idea about the actual "blue prints" I only know it could look like a "belt." Wouldn't it be great to liberate ourselves from cars and gas? How much clean less the air then?
All I read and learned about the ways the universe responds tells me that we can find the ways to make an object [or a person] "invisible" in the face of gravity. Think about it! After all this time we still look at gravity as "a force at a distance." No matter what Einstein proposed in 1905... Even if all that "curving" and "warping" of the so-called space-time was real [which I don't see it that way] how could you "trasmite" the attracting force from the center of the Earth to every single object in its path without a "messenger"?
Gravitons? That's just a "standard model" talking!!! It's going down anyway!
Look what happens with Helium. It is capable of scaping from the very core of the atom receiving the name of "alpha particle." A balloon filled with the gas would leave our atmosphere into the cosmos if it wasn't for the actual synthetic material that holds it. Hydrogen is present in the air we breath, in our ocean water etc... But Helium will "ignore" the Earth's gravity, the so-called "strong nuclear force" inside the atom and you know why?
Because it is "invisible" to those waves that recognize matter in space!
Think about the ways human hormones work... According to biology the principle is called "lock and key." In order for a hormone to be actually "recognized" by the gland targeted for regulations it takes a match between its "receptor site" and the given hormone's molecular structure. Diabetes is caused by an insulin [hormone] deficient and a malfunction of the "acknowledge system." All the elements in nature [that we know so far] are "made" with some sort of "ID tag" on them. Helium belongs to the group of Noble gases because it hardly combines with other elements. I believe that the same system of recognition used by elements in their bonding is the one employed by gravity to exert its force upon objects. Galileo worked very hard in trying to prove that all objects would fall from a high position to the ground at the same speed. So it has to be something else... We know that the weight felt in the surface of our planet is an entirely relative concept. A ton of iron will weight almost nothing in open space and that convinced us a long time ago that weight was not an inherent property of matter.
But what if... the structure of mater could have in fact a lot to do with the ways our weight is manifested in our own environment?
Could there be a way to mimic around us the actual structure of the element of Helium? Imagine that we could "cheat" gravity by the touch of a bottom...
That is also part of the final solution to me.

HUMANBYDEFAULT