[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Benedict Broere You're a true believer Lloyd, but science doesn't back up your atheism - on the contrary I would say. Just ask any scientist, at least any science-philosopher. But you will ofcourse ignore this, as you ignore my suggestion atheism, as any worldview, is a psychological and cultural determined opinion on the world in general.

I didn't say it wasn't, Benedict___all positions are intellectual constructs of mind___I simply stated the two must remain separate, in order for science to truly be science. This is a scientific fact___whether the scientist/philosopher is a-theist or not... My post stands as correct___or prove differently, by explaining how inanimate matter creates animate being___or even how your worldview has animate being creating inanimate matter...

regards

[Benedict Broere]

Now you're talking Lloyd.

But I see three projects here.

A : 'all positions are intellectual constructs of mind'

This can be investigated.

B: 'how inanimate matter creates animate being'

'creates'? We don't know.

C: 'or even how (...) animate being creates inanimate matter...'

Even a larger mystery.

For me I think science needs to be flexible in worldview or leave all options open, for than trying to make out what is most fruithfull in understanding what is going on, as world, researchable world. While the remaing for the time being unresearchable stays open for discussion - and is intensely discussed these days.

For me the option of something fundamentally creative is attractive for all kinds of reasons. But I know the opposite - this world is by itself - can also be true. Science hasn't evolved that far yet that the one or the other becomes more plausible or true.