[Benedict Broere]

I think TOE is a kind of E=mc2. Something simple, something general, something everywhere you look. And of course something everything you think, or assume. or considar. At least something deep, mathematical, general, something in everything. The most sublime in the movie 'PI', is, culture and nature are considared as one. Shoot. Please.

[Mohan.C]

But conciousness is complex. Till you understand it. Like when I started to learn violin it was one hell of a job. Now, it really is simple.
That is why we are trying to unite everything in one. Because one is better than many. To understand this one we will need to understand the many aspects of the world. Which is a somewhat difficult job!

Who knows everything or what it is?!

[ema]

E=mc2...
really, bcuz im physicst, i cant see anything else: energy, mass, speed of light..

i don mean that im follower of materialism, but i feel that its easy..in this simple way,,
we can do every thing by mass, light, to get energy..
and energy means everything to me
means power, force, intellegence too!!!

am as benedict, feel that the simple mean for simplify

all my love

[Benedict Broere]

Michael, consciousness... holds information. Information can be organised. This ofcourse in close interaction with the information science gives us. Ultimatly in a TOE. But consciousness in itself seems to be an unenclosable enigma. When a TOE is there I fear consciousness will still be unexplained. We will know how it works ofcourse. But we won't know how it can be it is there - as is the same with for instance energy. And I'm speaking of human consciousness and also of the kind of consciousness that appears strongly suggested when we know the TOE.

Mohan,
Ofcourse the TOE I mean is the Logos the Greeks spoke of. And that's the kind of TOE that puts you in the center of everything, everywhere you stand in this world.

Ema,
Love is a strong feeling, an overwhelming state of mind, not longlasting mostly, but eternally remembered when experienced. There are people who think gravity has to do with love. I think creativity has to do with love, in making art, and in integrating information into the TOE.

Conscioussness holds the key, creativity holds the key, nature-culture holds the key. This is what I'm fishing for. Thoughts about this. This TOE is essential in nature and culture.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by ema energy means everything to me means power, force, intellegence too!!!

Welll that is not a very scientifc physical way of looking at things. Power, force and energy are very different concepts in physics and actually in real life use also there are big differences.

[ema]

hi Guille...
when I said that i dont mean - and b sure - that this concepts have the same meaning in physics!!!..
But because im physicist, i see everything from the same point, then when i hear mass, light i recall energy, power, intellegece too!!!..

i kno that there is a huge difference, but when i talked about, i said "energy means every thing to (Me) !!.Not from physical side..

but all of them means some physical proberties to me!!, bcauz im physicst!!!

really i don find the contradiction u talkin about..
its simple, as this eqn is simple..

ita like this for me, and i don know what does it mean for u , bcuz u don say!.....
thanks too mush Benedict,,i see you comments on my signature,,
ok, beleive me, if i love a part of arts in this life, this part is the literture,, specially Russian; i felt they write thier suffer, and from this suffering love borns..and its so great to feel that you r a human being, carry deep feeling like this..

And i feel too that when fallen more and more in science, u become more sentimental;bcuz you understand the secret of this universe...

And all my love again..
oh yea, good luck in ur fishin!!
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All of u notice my horrible english!, but im sorry, i try to b better with you..
so don b angry if don understand what i wrote!!
MissGenius

[Guille]

Originally Posted by ema hi Guille... when I said that i dont mean - and b sure - that this concepts have the same meaning in physics!!!.. But because im physicist, i see everything from the same point, then when i hear mass, light i recall energy, power, intellegece too!!!..

I agree that if you look at things from physics everything is looked at from the same point. But that doesn't mean that that everything is looked at the same look-out from physics. There is a big difference. If we looked at everything we wouldn't know what we would be looking at. I mean, if I told you 'I'm eating at 2pm' you don't think about every single time you've eaten, every single time you've been at 2pm and every single time you've eaten at 2pm. Specially because for example intelligence is only a type of energy, and in fact a very different one (in some aspects with opposite properties) to the type of energy that mass is.

Originally Posted by ema i kno that there is a huge difference, but when i talked about, i said "energy means every thing to (Me) !!.Not from physical side..

Before this you've said in physics it's all from the same point and now you say it was for you so it's relative and subjective. That IS a contradiction. And if we all said what E=mc^" is to each of us, we would go nowhere! It would then have been better that Einstein never had inventedthe equation.

Originally Posted by ema but all of them means some physical proberties to me!!, bcauz im physicst!!!

In that case you shouldn't have said that energy=power=force because you weren't being physicist there.

Originally Posted by ema really i don find the contradiction u talkin about..

That you don't see something doesn't mean that it isn't there. Science is wrong in several things including that. And in fact it is the basic materialist statement.

Originally Posted by ema ita like this for me, and i don know what does it mean for u , bcuz u don say!.....

I haven't said it because I hate the way physics is. Plays everything and does nothing. I ask a physicist what 'force' is and I'm replied stupid things like 'push or pull' or 'an affection to a body of matter' or 'a field that affects an area of space-time'... That is why. If I ever manage to develop a congruent way of looking at things, which can avoid the stupid things from science and the stupid things from philosophy, but have the goods from both, then I'll give what I think things in nature are. Until then, I prefer to simply analize the possibilities that I find or that others find.

[ema]

hi Gullie..
again and again!!
lets b together:i said that i look to everything from the same point, yes, and i still say that: Dear i mean that my studying manage my thinkin in a specific way, im thinkin in all things in the same way,im not talkin about what power means in physics, not about the meanin of energy in physics, but my staydin let me see everything in scientific way..
means:when i look to anything around i recall what does it means to the whole universe..mass, its only mass for u, but when i think of it i remmeber that in sometime it will give us energy..
power, its only power, but when i hear it i recall what does it do .. its give us energy, not in energy meanin in physics, but in what is it give to the body itself..
do u understand me? my english...
ok..
u then understand that there is no contradiction in my opinion..
about einestin eqn...ok,u see that its a simlpe eqn, mass and light give energy, then, from my (rose sight): every simple thing, until tinny things, will give energy - (power)!! - if you give it a chance..
Guille: its not a physicst analysis, its only a sight for things..

"I haven't said it because I hate the way physics is. Plays everything and does nothing."
After all this progress in life and science u see that IS a play??
Come on: if u face a (great) person give u severl meanin to force, then the wrong is not in physics, the failur is in who Produce it..
U hate philosophy? i hate it more and more: i think it the art of missing life!!

By the way, what is force for you?

i hope that you now understand what i want..
and its nice consevation with you..
Regards
Ema

[humanbydefault]

Originally Posted by ema E=mc2... really, bcuz im physicst, i cant see anything else: energy, mass, speed of light.. i don mean that im follower of materialism, but i feel that its easy..in this simple way,, we can do every thing by mass, light, to get energy.. and energy means everything to me means power, force, intellegence too!!! am as benedict, feel that the simple mean for simplify all my love

Energy means us...
The entire universe is like a musical note played a long time ago and let to resonate in its wide and broad spectrum of harmonics into eternity.
More like a frozen melody where energy [the greatest ever imagine] were made to combine in its different states in a vast space we call cosmos.
Across time those accords are slowly changing their structure through what we call fusion and decay... Things are borne and die afterward.
Intelect, ideas, concepts and genius are the product of advanced organization of that melody inpersonated in us [humans]. Other species could [in theory] exist somewhere too and I believe they may have a different set of values and beliefs... But this is just a hypothesis as good as the fact that we too exist for others. Remember this: Music only exists to those that could lisent to it and physically hear it... Hearing impared individuals could only imagine what that is and that is a fact.
I have always seen matter as composed by energy which at the same time play a holistic role as instruments of the band. Matter plays the "music" in notes we call "elements." If we make to interact the same mater with more "sound" [energy] from other "instruments" then we get a combination of new notes or substances like proteins, fats and other chemical chains up to life itself.
"c" or the speed of life plays the roll of the speed of sound in music... the question is who, when and under what conditions this sinphony (we all are part of) began in the past?


HBD

[Guille]

Originally Posted by humanbydefault Remember this: Music only exists to those that could lisent to it and physically hear it... Hearing impared individuals could only imagine what that is and that is a fact.

I agree. But what if nature is a music which plays at lower or higher frenquency that our Hertz range of hearing, and thus, we cannot know nature?