What music is closest to TOE ??

[Benedict Broere]

Our so-called material is but of the secondary and thus non-elemental emissions of opposite particle pairs. All this, such as its other representations of positive mass-energy and negative gravity energy, all sum and cancel to a big zero, literally, being but the arbitrary and fleeting phantoms of some temporary particulars of specifics sprayed from the uncaused, eternal, and fundamental and necessarily indefinite ground-state beneath that could have no real intent or direction to it, for there could be no "before", nor of Nothing, nor of causes beneath causes of infinite regress. Complete freedom is the glorious result, within our form, of course, with no strings attached, much better than a constraining "purpose", when you really think about it.

Austintorn,
I think we are unable to know anything about the deep fundament out of which matter appears. But we indeed are able to look at it's behaviour. And these days it is generally understood that it grows in complexity, via 'chaotic', selforganizational processes. Complex starsystemes, complex molecules, life even, all this might be the result of what is called: negentropy or syntropy. Anyway some deep-within drive to become more complex, showing also new socalled emergent properties in each new level of complexity it establishes. Whatever we are part of, it has, says for instance Prigogine, an arrow in it. It's going somewhere. Doing it's thing. It's music in the making. Jazz, right now.

[austintorn@aol.com]

"More is different", plus, by the 2nd law, energy always disperses, the key being that it doesn't happen all at once, for example, it first residing in the flexible molecules that can change to absorb it and rearrange it. Everything that we know, think, and do results from this dispersal.

[Benedict Broere]

It's beauty and brilliance flashing up in destruction.
Everything isn't here to stay.
It's merely there to die in sublimeness.

[austintorn@aol.com]

It's beauty and brilliance flashing up in destruction.
Everything isn't here to stay.
It's merely there to die in sublimeness.

Precisely and exactly—every word.

We must think alike.

I'll soon be getting into it, in the Idea thread, but I'll point you there.

[Benedict Broere]

Take Five
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o

[austintorn@aol.com]

Sublime is the rhyme for energy's destruction…

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...tml#post114780

[Benedict Broere]

Austintorn,
I see too much victory of death and decay in your cantate / world view. And I think it's only halve the story.
I also see growth in complexity. And to me TOE is all about this growth in complexity. And consciousness, and beauty, quality in general.
At least, this is what I see when I look at reality. I see death and decay, but I also see it's opposite. And I think TOE is all about that.
TOE isn't just a matter of thermodynamics. It more has to do with life.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Perhaps the victory of energy dispersion (decay) is emergence (growth).

[Benedict Broere]

It Takes Two To Tango
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96uOpfGowNk

[Benedict Broere]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPKb-QLfqAE