[ChildofGod]

I can't disagree with it being a 'possible perspective'. Still, I believe.

I suppose, in the end, all we have is faith that if we entertain the idea of a higher plane of existance we can get there. Yet, if we do not entertain the idea of a higher plane, we will surely never experience one.

What does the song bird teach?
It teaches us that if we want to sing freely, we must spread our wings and fly.

What does the squirrel teach?
It teaches us to bury nuts for the winter, that our year will know equality.

What does the ant teach?
It teaches us to follow those that have gone before and we shall stake in the feast of our labor.

What does the bird of prey teach?
It teaches us to circle the skies in search of food.

What does the kangaroo teach?
It teaches us to protect our young until they can hop on their own.

What does the camel teach?
It teaches us to respect the water.

What is it that I teach?
I teach that we all see what we think we see.

I believe the intuitive mind is the will of God.
Mark

The mountains were always in our minds. When individual man can get out of the way of his own uncertainties he will know God.

[Benedict Broere]

There is too much God in what you say. Way too much. Be humble and wise and understand we know nothing. We assume, we have hunches, we speculate. 'Knowing' is really something else.

[ChildofGod]

Originally Posted by Benedict Broere There is too much God in what you say. Way too much. Be humble and wise and understand we know nothing. We assume, we have hunches, we speculate. 'Knowing' is really something else.

The very minute I claimed to know nothing, I began to understand.

I can also asertain from your post that I have been too general within my posts. These experiences are indeed personal. I will, in future posts, be more aware of my type.

I respect your view, and if you are any kind of man at all you will respect mine. This I know for sure!

Mark

[mkirkpatrick]

The music of the inner spheres plays the tune of aknowledge your own ignorance,and the
music that leads to wisdom,will quietly play for you!




regards michael.

[ChildofGod]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick The music of the inner spheres plays the tune of aknowledge your own ignorance,and the music that leads to wisdom,will quietly play for you! regards michael.

Bravo, Michael! Very beautiful and inspiring words. That may just be my new favorite quote!

Humble regards,
Mark

[Benedict Broere]

Mark, Michael,

Let me add this: I think we always have to be very cautious when using the word "God", because of all it's connotations coming out of it's huge history. Also the real mystics of all cultures end up using words like 'enigma' and 'mystery'. They sometimes speak a lot, while advancing, but ultimately they stop speaking, stop using words.

'God' seems to be something that is beyond thinking. Maybe this is what you mean Mark, in what you say. But I don't think it is possible to intuitively get any hold of this subject, for then use the word 'know'.

We can intuitively make a leap forwards into a better idea concerning this universe and possible maybe it's TOE, it's 'central order' or 'pattern that connects' (Gregory Bateson). But then a whole lot of explaining and making plausible will have to follow: convincingly showing how it forms the key to the whole fabric of this universe, while speaking to people who are very sceptical and have all kinds of different points of view concerning this universe. I think, as I have expressed in this thread and others, 'thinking music', 'thinking universe as a form of symphony', 'a variation on a central theme', might be such an intuitive leap.

For me it is without doubt that this cognitive intuition is a neccesary function in gaining knowledge, but concerning a subject like 'God', it becomes over-asked I think. 'God', when there is 'God', or 'Brahman', or 'JHWH', etcetera, is at the very far end of our understanding. And there's a whole lot of universe inbetween.

Mark, in what you say I see Berkeley in that. I have read him a long time ago. So it's just a hunch.

Let me close with this Mark: God, is really something, everything, my whole life. But I don't know it you know. This is the absolute paradox, of humanity.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks Benedict,In meditation deep,I have heard the "music of the spheres",I cannot play that melody on any earthly instrument,it is almost impossible to describe,If
pushed it would be to imagine a vast meadow,full of beautiful self-radiant flowers,showing
all the colours of the physical spectrum,plus the astral spectrum,and the etheric spectrum,
and the mental spectrum,and so on up an ascending arc,then imagine a gentle breeze
blowing,and all these flowers had tiny bells on them,and they were all "tinkering" in a perfect harmony,that is what the music of the spheres is like to me.

And that seems pretty TOE like to me!




regards michael.

[ChildofGod]

I am certainly respectful of another view. However, I don't feel our views are all that different.

Perhaps the least offense way to put it is this.

"I believe the intuitive mind is the critical element for higher learning."


The only book I have ever finished reading was "Forest Gump", so I don't know "Berkley".


The difference between sensing God, and knowing God, is faith.

Regards,
Mark

My works are all original, and thats why it reeks of others. We are all the same.

[Benedict Broere]

Well, mystical experience is one thing and can be of high value for the person concerned, but gaining knowledge, scientific knowledge, is really something else. Intuition has it role in that, in this latter, but then a whole lot of labour has to follow, in research and making things plausible. And this is what I meant to say.

Berkeley is an American philosopher, who has a very peculiar view on reality.

If someone is really interested in the essential nature of reality, then some orientation on what others have thought in this field, can be very usefull. At least I think it is highly unusual to just ignore what a large array of excellent thinkers already have written and said in this respect.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Benedict Broere Well, mystical experience is one thing and can be of high value for the person concerned, but gaining knowledge, scientific knowledge, is really something else. Intuition has it role in that, in this latter, but then a whole lot of labour has to follow, in research and making things plausible. And this is what I meant to say. Berkeley is an American philosopher, who has a very peculiar view on reality. If someone is really interested in the essential nature of reality, then some orientation on what others have thought in this field, can be very usefull. At least I think it is highly unusual to just ignore what a large array of excellent thinkers already have written and said in this respect.

Quite so Benedict,we all have views,mine are equally as valid as this American philosopher bloke,Berkeley,Much has been written throughout the ages,NONE of it
has been,or ever will be Original,"Gurus play a social role,so do prostitutes Quote.
UG Krishnamurti"

regards michael.