[Benedict Broere]

Lot's of very original thought on reality can be found in the history of philosophy. While reinventing some of this tradition is a sign of real thinking. But nobody who seriously wants to speak about reality, can just ignore the whole history of thinking reality. This is elementary stuff for any first-year student philosophy, on any university, also the Berkeley University.

Retract your long toes, it doesn't suit you.
Regards.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Benedict Broere Lot's of very original thought on reality can be found in the history of philosophy. While reinventing some of this tradition is a sign of real thinking. But nobody who seriously wants to speak about reality, can just ignore the whole history of thinking reality. This is elementary stuff for any first-year student philosophy, on any university, also the Berkeley University. Retract your long toes, it doesn't suit you. Regards.

Benedict,there is no such thing as original thought on this planet,or has there ever been,
Those who speak of reality,know absolutely nothing about it,you can only experience
reality,you cannot TEACH it,either at university,or kindergarden.Neither you nor I,will
ever have an original thought,or even "KNOW" the "meaning" of "spontanaeity",so I
suggest you accept this "fact" and move on.


regards michael.

[leskey]

The shared common thread of communication in all of humanity is the language of Music: highly articulate, multi-dimensional and creative. It commemorates and celebrates Life.

Hi, Benedict et al.

Yes, I hear it too and the intensity IS indeed increasing. I've heard it before, but that's another story...Without being too alarmist, I'm concerned about what this means...

Music and mathematics (logic) are inextricably intertwined.

Everything resonates (perhaps this is another dimension of existence?). Our thoughts, our very being resonate...Is harmony/vibration/energy that which could/should UNITE everything?

The ground-breaking and prophetic Stanley Kubrick film, "2001: A Space Odyssey" saw Man's next stage of development as spiritual, rather than technical. Perhaps this is now imminent. Maybe genetics, nanotechnology and quantum computing are about to coalesce into something entirely unexpected?

Favourite lyrics: "Sympathy for the Devil."
Favourite music: Puccini's Turandot, Nessun Dorma
Go figure...

[MJA]

Stevie had some serious truth in him!


Stevie Ray Vaughan Little Wing

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MJA

[Benedict Broere]

Hello Leskey,

I think music, and art in general, mimics reality in the sense that reality seems to be based on essential order, seems to be a hierarchy of variations on themes of variation, on ultimately a most central theme of variation, a TOE or GUT or actually Logos (Heraclitus).

The nature of this central theme very probably is mathematical, but this certainly doesn't mean reality is something technical or mechanical. With this point of view reality more emerges as something alive, as a Life we are part of and are micro-reflections of and to which we better can tune in on when we have a good notion of this central order.

It's all a matter of life coming to a good understanding and harmony with Life. And of course we already all are as little tunes or melodies, part of and united with this great symfony that is unfolding itself. But we lack a bit of harmony, it could and should be more.

Yes, great film: Space Odyssey ! But I think that science in general in the past century increasingly has displayed a universe that best can be described in terms of 'music' and 'life'. It is not a matter of leaving behind all rational and technical and mechanical, the next level of understanding is seeing the bigger picture all this is part of, the view on Art in ascent.

[Signo]

I don't know about "closest to TOE," but Pavarotti is absolutely amazing.

[leskey]

But seriously, all great music aside:

Benedict, when you're referring to "reality," are you actually meaning "existence?" Perhaps, mathematics is but one of the many consequences of existence...and as such actually inconsequential...? It's a great example of how becoming bogged down in ONE aspect of the minutiae of existence breaks down the "Big Picture" (Oneness, Unity, Truth, etc.).

I must return to a view I posted on P65 of the thread regarding "The Root of All Evil," that indeed "form follows function." The function being Purpose/Knowledge/Objective and form being Creation/Existence/Subjective...or that physical existence is the aesthetic creation of the meta-physical.

So, slowly arriving at my point, I will repeat here what I have posted on P85 of "The Root of All Evil:"

"My near-death experience convinced me of the validity of the enternal/infinite. For me this is immutable. The experience was LIGHT/music, coupled with one feeling that is all of these: absolute ecstatic bliss/peace/assurance/sanctity/celebration/communion. the music was the medium for communication, both holistically and individually (speech/thought)."

I cannot describe it any better than as one note that embodied everything positive. Now, THAT'S ART!

Existence is infinitely/eternally dynamic - down to the last most infinitesimal particle. Nothing is inert. All is imbued with energy. Everything is "alive."

[Profpat]

I believe all music is an essential component of T.O.E.. Pythagoras was correct when he spoke of the music of the spheres. Scientist now know that planets hum, atoms also have their music, and so do the subatomic particles.

However the ONE song that best sums up T.O.E. is Carole King's ONLY LOVE IS REAL.

Only Love Is Real
------Carole King
As I bask in the glow of a just-lit fire
Feeling the warmth as the flame grows higher
I think it's true that nothing is really new under the sun
Watching a new love grow from old love's embers
Yesterday's gone but today remembers
Doesn't it seem to come down the same for everyone

Only love is real
Everything else illusion
Adding to the confusion of the way we connive
At being alive
Tracing a line till we can define
The thing that allows us to feel
Only love is real

Childhood dreams like muddy waters
Flowing through me to my son and daughters
Everything I ever thought is confirmed as truth to me
Even as I see the way that I want to go now
Still I wish I had known what I know now
Maybe I could have spared you giving your youth to me

Only love is real
Everything else illusion
Adding to the confusion of the way we contrive
To just stay alive
Tracing a line till we can define
The thing that allows us to feel
Only love is real

Best,

Pat

[dipayankar]

In fact string theory copies music to a large extent

Originally Posted by Benedict Broere Listen ladies and gentlemen, Right now i'm listening to Ry Cooder, Bop till you drop. TOE has something to do with music. What is it? You might think this is a fake-subject on TOE. But I can assure you this isn't, this really isn't. Everything is there. We know it. It's just on the brink...

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar In fact string theory copies music to a large extent

You are right Dipayankar;

The basic idea is that the fundamental constituents of reality are strings of the Planck length (about 10−33 m) which vibrate at resonant frequencies. Every string in theory has a unique resonance, or harmonic. Different harmonics determine different fundamental forces

A virtual symphony throughout our uniVERSE.