[Eric]

First, what can not be perceived? Let's not make an assumption. Secondly, to know something through its "representation", is not to say WE know the "something".

So without any preconceived limit on perception or representation of the "something", a TOE can only begin in one way, without immediately falling into a "relative morass".

It has to begin with an ABSOLUTE.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Eric What is not created (therefore can not be destroyed) is certainly where a TOE needs to begin. But "thermodynamics" (active mass) should not be assumed at the beginning. What is not created, has no equal or greater, partner or opposite.

Eric, divide your (active mass), absolute fundamental substance, to the infinitesimal/infinite, and it's still the absolute fundamental substance. You can't escape it. The first law of thermodynamics applies eternally, thus eternal matter motion is the absolute, in all its changed and changing state phase spaces. There's no room for metaphysics. The above math, connected to physical substance, solves all the foolish Zeno style math paradoxes. Everybody's just been trying to do abstractions, without physical connectiveness, for centuries___Wrong...! Connect substance to abstractions, and all becomes clear.

"All men have eyes, few have the gift of perception." Machiavelli

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

The steps to be taken are to see the connections,realize what that really means,then the
rest will be plain sailing.



regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick The steps to be taken are to see the connections,realize what that really means,then the rest will be plain sailing. regards michael.

That would be absolute understanding, Mk. Where's your true physical facts of the understandings of these connections...?

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie That would be absolute understanding, Mk. Where's your true physical facts of the understandings of these connections...? regards,

The connections are not physical,they are also not facts,they are as it IS!
btw is case you cannot grasp this concept/IS is how it eternally IS,facts like the wind
change as perception bores deeper into the real!


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick The connections are not physical,they are also not facts,they are as it IS! btw is case you cannot grasp this concept/IS is how it eternally IS,facts like the wind change as perception bores deeper into the real! regards michael.

Mystic-boy, you're really making sense, ain't ya? Is___In your dreams...

regards,

p.s.
If you got no facts, what's the real perception...?

[5589]

(I would hate to think that I am posting in multiple universes, because this is the second time I've replied to this post, after having seen the first one posted. Strange universe, indeed.)

Originally Posted by Eric First, what can not be perceived? Let's not make an assumption.

It is an assumption to think that anything can be perceived in its entirety.

Are you saying that everything is capable of being perceived, and nothing lay beyond perception?

Originally Posted by Eric Secondly, to know something through its "representation", is not to say WE know the "something".

How do we "know" that 1+1=2?

This process is a mathematical operation composed entirely of representations, from start to finish.

Yet, how do we know that it is absolutely true, when all we can do is represent something else?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by 5589 It is an assumption to think that anything can be perceived in its entirety. Are you saying that everything is capable of being perceived, and nothing lay beyond perception?

I would first have to say, it is far better to assume something can be perceived and go after it, then assume it can't and not try.

Secondly, from personal experience, I can say the entirity can be perceived.

It requires perserverance, humility, and risk.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Eric I would first have to say, it is far better to assume something can be perceived and go after it, then assume it can't and not try. Secondly, from personal experience, I can say the entirity can be perceived. It requires perserverance, humility, and risk.

Thanks for that post Eric,in a nutshell there it is!

regards michael.

[Eric]

You're welcome, Micheal.

Yup. There it is. Tell Lloyd I'm making it up though. He's going to assume it anyway.

It's not in his "Little Book of Facts".

Perceiving the entirity, is much more painful than kicking a rock.