[ScottAnfield]

I agree with BB, discovering the TOE won't be the end of science as we know it, but the beginning of new discoveries for us. Yes, it will help us to understand the universe better and may improve quality of life with these new discoveries, but, as BB said, it won't end human suffering around the globe. We won't be Godlike with ultimate power, we will still be subject to the laws of the universe whether we like it or not- as we are only a smaller part of a bigger picture.

As for freedom, freedom is a concept and it has many different characteristics. You can have freedom from poverty, in mind and physical freedom (as in not being in prison).

[Fluent Piffle]

Nice post, Scott. I couldn't agree more.

Since MJA mentioned J. Krishnamurti, here is a link to all his work online, including the very thought provoking 'Freedom from the known'...

http://tchl.freeweb.hu/

"Do please go into this..."



pif.

[MJA]

A Castle Made of Cards

The test for truth is the test of measure.
To test the truth of measure, one must ask: Is measure true?
Science has found measure untrue, uncertain, relative, and probable at best.
From these foundations of measure, man has built his castles of theories and faiths.
Castles as frail as a castle made of cards.
But there is a single truth of measure, one that has been over-looked.
A simple truth from which a new universe can be built.
It is found at the single balance point of a scale, that point of absolute truth called equality.
The single point of a scale that all things are balanced, measured, and compared.
It is the single simple measuring point of truth.
The true center of balance, the true balance of an equation, the true solution to any problem, and the truth of justice.
It unites energy fields and matter, it is the single cure for inhumanity, the simple remedy for our home, Earth.
Equality is the unity of nature.
Equal is the reality we quest.
Only from this constant of truth, the certainty of equality, can anything be truly measured.
Beyond our uncertainty of probable or relative measure, is the future of true equality.
Unlike the castle of cards built on uncertainty, a universe built on truth, will stand forever,
equal united and free!
.

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MJA

[N0B0DY]

I think it's good to link to other's thought, as long as one draws their own conclusions.

[bottomlander]

Originally Posted by MJA A Castle Made of Cards The test for truth is the test of measure. To test the truth of measure, one must ask: Is measure true? Science has found measure untrue, uncertain, relative, and probable at best. From these foundations of measure, man has built his castles of theories and faiths. . . Unlike the castle of cards built on uncertainty, a universe built on truth, will stand forever, equal united and free! = MJA

Dear MJA,

As for the 1st line of your poem "The test for truth is the test of measure." Actually, the key term "measure" can be one of the many similar terms: perception, evaluation, human knowledge, logic, mathematics, problem-solving-ability, etc.
You picked up the term "measure" for you to attack that term [measure usually means comparison with standards]. Once no more comparisons, he can beautify difference and confusion as equal/equality.

The 2nd line "To test the truth of measure, one must ask: Is measure true?" Actually, unnecessary to test the truth of measure, just think: is that method of measure appropriate or still improvable? Then, science progresses!

The 3rd line "Science has found measure untrue, uncertain, relative, and probable at best." Actually, science doesn't use the terms true/untrue/truth, despite in logic, the terms true/false are being employed.

"Science has found measure untrue" is just your personal bias alibi to support yourself. Seldom have other people concluded measure as untrue. Yet science really cautions people that in frontier and extreme cases, things [not just measurements] are more uncertain, relative and probable. Caution is better than blind misconception.

The title of your poem implies that Science is just A Castle Made of Cards.
Seems that you agree that Science builds at least a Castle (despite fragile).
However, those personal assertions of MJA are just laying on the ground (the Oneness Foundation) and theoretically unable to stand up a little bit. The reason is that you fixed yourself on "Everything equals". Your thinking/reasoning ended immediately without anything possible to stand up (which means different to his groundstate foundation).
If everything equals, just one sameness can't build even a Castle [with different parts/ingredients/rooms]. MJA, your key ideas hardly behave as any Cards. They are just empty, just magic empty words when appropriate reasonings are still absent.

Best Regards. Bottomlander

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY I think it's good to link to other's thought, as long as one draws their own conclusions.

Hi Nobby, if you read some of Krishnamurti's work you will find that he agrees completely with you, as do I on this matter!

pif.

[MJA]

Hi Bottomlander,

Standing on the ground of nature's equality is the only castle I need.
That castle of truth, unlike yours', made of theories and doubts, will never fail.
Unity or equality, the Truth Of Everything, is as solid and powerful as it gets.
The power of nature's truth is one.
The sooner you see it, the less uncertain you will be.
There is no uncertainty in a castle of truth.
And I am only trying to help you see it too..

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MJA

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Tell me the truth, of the trillions of truths, MJA, without the simpleton equation of =.

[MJA]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Tell me the truth, of the trillions of truths, MJA, without the simpleton equation of =.

Nature!

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MJA

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I didn't think you could...