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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-20-2008, 02:16 PM

I've not read the full post rmirman. But i think some physical quantities like entropy enthalpy etc etc etc govern the nature. Because they have a steady curve. They are growing or becomin lesser. And this quantities are not relativistic, hmmm I'm not sure are they relativistic dleviwing(David).


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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-20-2008, 04:09 PM

Welcome to the forums, rmirman. Note that you are encouraged to make longer, more techincal posts in the other forums, and leave this for introductions and a brief summary of your ideas.


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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-21-2008, 10:53 PM

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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-22-2008, 04:43 PM

Rmirman;
Are you and “impunv” one and the same? Can I assume that you are a “science critic”? I think you may be confusing science facts with some rather bizarre science theory interpretations of the numbers; that’s a common problem with novice who get their science knowledge from books in the top ten best seller lists and discovery channel.

Science is a methodology of measurement but too often people view the theoretical interpretation of the numbers as the science; that only results in poor understanding of the real measurements and their value. Theory should be used to guide the methodology of designing the experiments that bring us to a better insight of natures smoke and mirrors. I too am a critic of the theories but not of the science. If you know the science then you should know why the mathematics of Relativity and QM work; don’t be shamed by the snake oil salesmen!


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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-24-2008, 01:38 AM

I know why relativity and qm work, and why they must work that way. I have explained it in depth in my books (start with OAIU). It is nice that you agree with me about bizarre science theories. That means you agree that string theory, and so much else, are nonsense. See the books especially OAIU.

The proof that physics, a universe, would be impossible in any dimension but 3+1 (strangely agreeing with reality) is clear and unavoidable. Stunning is that a change of any number in any of the formulas by even 1 would make any dimension, thus any universe, impossible.

That the universe allows, and has, galaxies, stars, planets, even life, thinking life, that all the conflicting conditions do not conflict and are met, is beyond stunning.

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Existence, of the universe, structure, life, intelligence, is unthinkable, really impossible. Incredibly, intriguingly, we are here. From the universe itself to humans, that we are, what we are, what we have accomplished, we find implausibility upon implausibility making us as reasoning beings (at least almost) unique in the universe, quite fortunate, but quite dangerous. SETI is nonsense. Reasons range from mathematically rigorous --- unavoidable --- to extremely strong to highly likely. These force the question: does the word God exist?

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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-24-2008, 01:43 AM

Why don't you read the full post, and the books, especially OAIU. The lawsare much more fundamental than entropy and enthalpy.

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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-26-2008, 02:04 PM

I don't think that anything determines the Laws of nature. i think the laws of nature determines everything. that's if the laws of nature has always existed.
  
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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 02-28-2008, 12:17 PM

The question is why the laws have the form that they do? And much is known. For example conservation laws come from geometry, as is well-known. But there is much more. Look at the books, especially OAIU. These will show why the laws have the form they do, for many; eventually perhaps for all.
  
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I don't think that anything determines the Laws of nature. i think the laws of nature determines everything. that's if the laws of nature has always existed.

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Re: What determines the laws of nature? - 03-09-2008, 04:05 AM

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I don't think that anything determines the Laws of nature. i think the laws of nature determines everything. that's if the laws of nature has always existed.
I would have to agree with you in the basis that I don't think anything determines the laws of nature. But disagree with your statement that nature determines everything on the basis that the "Laws of Nature" determine everything. I would think that those laws would just be a representation of how different elements in nature interact with each other and the influences that different aspects of nature have on each other with the way people perceive those interactions. As to if the laws of nature have always existed, I would say that they would have had to exist since the existence of anything.
  
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