What determines the laws of nature?

[Max™]

I never said that the speed of light wouldn't be measured to be constant, I'm not one of the people claiming Relativity is wrong.

You don't know enough about what you're talking about to be so demeaning, really...

[ggullet]

The House of Repetition

[michael turner]

I never said that the speed of light wouldn't be measured to be constant, I'm not one of the people claiming Relativity is wrong.

You don't know enough about what you're talking about to be so demeaning, really...

As far as I am understanding you here is your quote concerning the speed of light,


Originally Posted by Max
"It isn't, only the measured speed is,"

I do know what I am talking about, I am stating that Einstein's description, picture of time and space being warped by matter is the WRONG way to describe the nature of the laws governing the universe. I do not say this lightly and I do not care what your critisms are if you just throw out barbs with out evidence.

Spacetime is a byproduct of all potential energy decaying into kinetic energy at the most basic level of the nature of the physical laws. All potential energies decay into a monopole gravitational wave, spacetime, and it is the nature of alignment of gravitational wave constructive interference between potential energies that gives the constant rate of alignment or the gravitational constant. Gravitation is a wave alignment between potential energies.

In simple terms, max. All matter and potential energies give off a continous monopole field, the gravitational wave, and these fields, attached to there sources, align ( constructive wave interference) by bringing the objects that the differenting fields are generated from together- thus gravity.

Time and space are wave functions of these field. ALL of relativity's math is exactly, well very close, the same but the picture is much more clear as to the mechanism behind the madness of the laws of nature.

You know you could actually pay attention here and learn something if you like or you could rebutt my logic in several intelligent ways, but I have already played the devil's advocate with anything that you could think about. there are no holes in my understanding anymore.

So, max, I do not appreciate the jibberish. Either talk to me with science or silence please.

[Max™]

You're not talking science.

You don't seem to understand what Relativity is, you've said things which are directly contrary to what the actual theory says.

I'm quite done with you, you're either joking to get a rise out of me, or deluded.

[michael turner]

You're not talking science.

You don't seem to understand what Relativity is, you've said things which are directly contrary to what the actual theory says.

I'm quite done with you, you're either joking to get a rise out of me, or deluded.

No, I am giving a clearer picture of what relativity really is.
Point 1
By using sound as an example of relativity, it can be simply deduced to show that relativity's mechanism is generated as a point of origin, energy transfer to a wave. This is the fundamental law behind all relativity.
Point two
By understanding the fundamental characterists of constructive wave interference the mechanism of gravity force and relativity can be deduced all in only three dimensions.

Of course, the huygens' principle then is completed and becomes a law.

two original ideas yet simple and eloquent and overlooked by all.
I actually use the laws of physics to disect the mechanism of relativity. It is everyone else that doesn't get it, sorry to try to enlighten the ones in the dark such as the kicking and fighting you.

[Max™]

I understand Relativity, kiddo, completely and intuitively.

You're not adding anything new, and you're babbling on about a bunch of jibberish which doesn't actually say a whole lot.

I'm not in the dark, you should read a book on what science is.

[michael turner]

I understand Relativity, kiddo, completely and intuitively.

You're not adding anything new, and you're babbling on about a bunch of jibberish which doesn't actually say a whole lot.

I'm not in the dark, you should read a book on what science is.

I have actually shown you the original thought of what I have added new to Relativity.
Maybe it is invisible to you so I will give the conception another time for you to comprehend. I wonder what your hang up is....

Matter does not warp time and space, it creates time and space via the decay of the magnetic field into the monopole gravitational field. It is constructive field interferences that creates gravity.

The essence of proper time and proper space is a potential to kinetic energy transfer from the magnetic field into the monopole gravitational field via the frequency and wavelength of the generated wave/field.

Relative time and space is the frequency and wavelength comparision of one object related to another, which takes into account speed, distance, and field strength of each relative to the other.

Since the fields continue to constructively interfere, it is the rate of wave alignment through constructive interference that gives the gravitational constant.

This concept is simple, eloquent and easy to understand. I call it "Gravitational wave Synchronization".

Time and space are wave functions of a "continously generated fabric" as the entire universe in in the process of decay and reshaping from potential to kinetic energy via gravitational wave synchronization.

Where is that not crystal clear to you? Really what is preventing you from seeing this understanding and then picking it apart from a scientific standpoint.


I can explain it at any level you would like, and I do have a Biology, physics, and physical science background from college and I also have the ability to understand how even professors can be bait and switched. So it is kinda of LOL that you assume I do not with out knowing my background.

[Max™]

Matter doesn't create spacetime, it is a part of spacetime. I like the term knots, as I refer to spacetime as threaded.

My problem is that it isn't as simple as the explanation I've already found.

It isn't that I'm unable to comprehend it in any way, I just find it to be wasteful, cluttered, and inelegant. That's all.

Plus, while you claim to know Relativity, you've stated things which you said were parts of Relativity, or extrapolated from it, which are directly contrary to the actual theory.

Matter does not warp time and space, it creates time and space via the decay of the magnetic field into the monopole gravitational field. It is constructive field interferences that creates gravity.

The essence of proper time and proper space is a potential to kinetic energy transfer from the magnetic field into the monopole gravitational field via the frequency and wavelength of the generated wave/field.

I mean, that whole thing is just a mess. You're using terms without proper grammar to even make them sensible, and trying to explain one poorly understood thing by saying it's another poorly understood thing.

What is "a potential to kinetic energy transfer", there is a verb or something missing here.

Plus the bit about monopole gravitational fields... do you actually know what a monopole is?


Could you explain this to someones grandmother and have her understand it.

[michael turner]

Matter doesn't create spacetime, it is a part of spacetime. I like the term knots, as I refer to spacetime as threaded.

My problem is that it isn't as simple as the explanation I've already found.

It isn't that I'm unable to comprehend it in any way, I just find it to be wasteful, cluttered, and inelegant. That's all.

Plus, while you claim to know Relativity, you've stated things which you said were parts of Relativity, or extrapolated from it, which are directly contrary to the actual theory.



I mean, that whole thing is just a mess. You're using terms without proper grammar to even make them sensible, and trying to explain one poorly understood thing by saying it's another poorly understood thing.

What is "a potential to kinetic energy transfer", there is a verb or something missing here.

Plus the bit about monopole gravitational fields... do you actually know what a monopole is?


Could you explain this to someones grandmother and have her understand it.

You are right, in a sense, because I am correcting the flaw in the misunderstood cause, the physical cause of relativity. As I have stated a few times before, the math is essentially right on, but the view, or concept is incorrect as to the mechanism, the physical cause.

Max,
Potential energy-
"Potential energy can be thought of as energy stored within a physical system. If the spring is released this stored energy will be converted into kinetic energy by the restoring force."1

kinetic energy-
"The adjective "kinetic" has its roots in the Greek word κίνηση (kinesis) meaning "motion"

Rotation in systems
It sometimes is convenient to split the total kinetic energy of a body into the sum of the body's center-of-mass translational kinetic energy and the energy of rotation around the center of mass rotational energy:

Ek= Et + Er

where:

Ek is the total kinetic energy
Et is the translational kinetic energy
Er is the rotational energy or angular kinetic energy in the rest frame
Thus the kinetic energy of a tennis ball in flight is the kinetic energy due to its rotation, plus the kinetic energy due to its translation.

The kinetic energy is co-located with the object and contributes to its gravitational field."A

A coiled spring with potential energy releases its energy and becomes unsprung, this is a potential energy to kinetic energy transfer. It is essentially the second law of thermodynamics, increasing the entropy.

1). "There are many versions of the second law, but they all have the same effect, which is to explain the phenomenon of irreversibility in nature."2

2). "In a system, a process that occurs will tend to increase the total entropy of the universe." 3

3). "Owing to the somewhat ambiguous nature of the formulation of the second law, i.e. the postulate that the quantity heat divided by temperature increases in spontaneous natural processes, it has occasionally been subject to criticism as well as attempts to dispute or disprove it. Clausius himself even noted the abstract nature of the second law. In his 1862 memoir, for example, after mathematically stating the second law by saying that integral of the differential of a quantity of heat divided by temperature must be greater than or equal to zero for every cyclical process which is in any way possible:

I assume you know the formula max.
Clausius then stated:

Although the necessity of this theorem admits of strict mathematical proof if we start from the fundamental proposition above quoted it thereby nevertheless retains an abstract form, in which it is with difficulty embraced by the mind, and we feel compelled to seek for the precise physical cause, of which this theorem is a consequence. 4

Now Max what I am saying is that kinetic energy has a irreversible end point, the monopole gravitational wave. This wave/field is non interactive with potential energies other than through the kickback, zipping of the constructive wave interference or wave alignment, a term that I call "Gravitational wave synchronization".

PART TWO- MESSAGE TO GRANDMA

Can I explain this to your grandmother or mine?
Here goes Grandma Max or Michael

As a puddle of water evaporates creating the humidity around it, mass (energy) evaporates creating the space around it.
Grandma, the change, decrease in the puddle of water and increase in humidity is how we measure time, like you do when you put a cake in the oven and watch the process of the cake being baked. Well grandma, time and space are actions somewhat like measuring the change in the puddle of water to humidity, time is the flow of evaporation and space is the resulting area.

Hey Grandma, you know how once you bake a cake, you can't unbake it and start over, well it is the same with time. Once matter decays, creating space, it can't change back either.

Grandma, this is actually the fundamental principle behind the universe but people got so rapped up in the details that they couldn't see the whole picture.

Now Grandma, energy from the cake can feed you and me and give us energy to use for work, we call that transitional kinetic energy, maybe after I have two pieces of that cake i can mow your lawn. But once I have eaten the cake we can't reverse the process. Well grandma, energy has a process and many types of stages it can go through but once it evaporates into space it cannot devaporate or unevaporate like you can not unbake the cake that I ate two pieces. We call that increasing entropy.

So Grandma a potential to kinetic energy transfer is like a puddle of water evaporating of really like the ingredients in your cake being mixed and baked.

Grandma, a better example might me making jello. We heat the ingredients, mix everything, we cool it and it hardens, (The big bang and 300,000 years) but if we put it outside in the Florida sun for a couple of days it shrivels up. In this case the change in the jello in the sun is time and the humidity from the water evaporating from the jello is space. The second law of thermodynamics tells us that we can't get the jello looking good enough to eat again.

Hey Grandma, one more thing. Remember I was talking about how matter evaporates into space like a puddle of water evaporates into humidity? Well I thought you might wonder how gravity fits in.

Matter evaoprates into space kinda like your radio gives off energy in the form of a wave, sound. You know like that deep purple and pink flloyd you like so much. Now you remember that zipper on my Jacket that you fixed for me? Well you could think of that zipper as two waves, left and right. The metal is the peak of the wave and the material is the valley. Now my zipper works great so thanks, but anyhow when I align my zipper, the two waves, they do not change themselves but they bring my jacket together. That is how gravity works too, you, grandma, are continously giving off a wave, the left zipper, and the Earth is continously giving off a wave, the right zipper, and since it is crowded with this waves, because it is a field of waves, they align just like when you zip up my jacket and just like my jacket comes together you and the Earth come together. Hey grandma, that's Gravity. Gravity is a wave alignment just like zipping up my zipper. Because my pants are attached to my zipper, my pants come together when I zip up my pants. The Earth and you produce continously generated waves and they align by the the source of their attachments coming together too.

So grandma, time, space, and gravity are actions of this process of matter creating a wave and the wave aligning with other matter creating a wave.

Grandma, did you ever drop two pebbles in a pool of water and watch the ripples, yes they do join and become one ripple. Well grandma, if I place two little fishing bobbers in water and I have each of the bobbers generate their separate but Identical waves of ripples with frequencys and wavelengths, guess what, the bubbers get closer and closer and eventually touch each other and generate one wave. That is also an easy way to explain how gravity works to you.

Hey Max, I gave it a quick but pretty good shot, and did what you asked. On your level and grandma's level too. Are "You" ready to at least acknowledge that I am willing to answer your questions in the language that you are asking?

ps
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.-A.E.

God always takes the simplest way.- A.E.

He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed.-A.E.

He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. -A.E.









Footnote- A,1,2,3,4- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Max™]

I understand the terms fine, your language is just cluttered.

The way you use "a potential to kinetic energy transfer" is as a descriptive, but then you apply it in a strange way in the part I quoted.

You're still not explaining anything any clearer, you're just pointing the "well then what is that" question somewhere else.


Relativity makes sense, and I understand the causes of it.

I can explain it without the weird doubling up on words you use... is english not your first language?

Some of the things you say are like saying "most especially", as far as the grammar you use, like "thereby nevertheless".

You claim you read my Simply Relativity, and claim I don't understand Relativity because I don't describe it the way you do. Then you invoke your weird wave synchronization behavior (oops, doesn't that violate locality?) as the cause of gravity. Continually misusing the term monopole.

A gravitational monopole would be a defect in spacetime... hell, you could pretty much describe a black hole as a gravitational monopole... it would be stretching the term, but it's better than how you're using it.