Philosophysics of a fundamental substance

[analog]

Good morning Lloyd,

Alright, I’ve only had a few hours of sleep, but already see with better clarity than I did yesterday with my confusing ramblings. I do however see the true importance to what I’m suggesting, I just can’t mathematically express it whereby showing clear relationships, but what I can do is give this clear and concise post of the absolute mechanics of absolute matter in absolute motion through absolute space and absolute time, and that’s all the absolutes we’ll be needing.

Imagine this by Dave’s mechanics first, and then we can apply it to yours if need be. Keep in mind the differences between your conspansion and Dave’s expansion as this is very important in not getting crossed up. Conservation of c need not be through conspansion, IMHO as I will try to demonstrate. The graphs from yesterday cause too much confusion and I was implying the relationship of temporal and spatial dimensions backwards also, if I’m remembering correctly. Another problem my explanations have had is that I’ve always been thinking of 4d motion as lateral, the best way to describe the dynamics of the combination of these constituents is to imagine a true void with no EM field at all, only blackness. Now, at this point direction of motion is really irrelevant, but due to how we are wired (or me anyways) the clarity comes when we imagine a fundamental volume of substance falling through this background of absolute space at the velocity of c, whose value I now see as irrelevant as you suggested in the sense that you suggested it.

It is the value of c however that is the temporal dimension itself, not as though at right angles on a graph, but merely the value c by which the fundamental volume is falling through absolute space. This value of c is absolute and must be conserved by way of absolute motion from the temporal to the spatial dimensions, thus the conservation process goes a lil something like this.

The finite spatial dimensional nature of the volume (absolute condensation) is determined only when falling through absolute space at c. The entire volume as a whole can linearly slow the rate at which it is falling, but to do so must conserve c within the spatial dimensions proportionally whereby the volume is logically seen to expand/outward at c with a transformation of motion from linear falling temporal interaction to expansion of the whole in all directions spatial interaction. The total Va=Vu to Vr internal mechanics of the whole is proportional to the rate of temporal fall vs. spatial expansion. When falling at c we can imply Va=Vu one degree of freedom linear fall of the entire volume with a finite volume (thus establishing that all expansion be outward from this absolute ground state). As internal Vr increases (spatial expansion) throughout the whole, the Vu of the c rate of the temporal fall decreases proportionally as the entire volumes rate of fall slows from c to a lesser value. This can similarly be easily imagined as the dynamics to the body configuration of a sky diver. When he tucks his arms and straightens out he accelerates his decent as he falls through open air. When he flattens out and goes perpendicularly against his direction of motion, he slows his decent due to aerodynamic concepts. The same can be said for the absolute fundamental volume. It is spatially aerodynamic when it is compressed to a finite size, thus it accelerates its fall through the spatial dimensions having less spatial interaction and more temporal interaction. As it expands, a new kind of absolute aerodynamics takes over and its rate of fall is slowed as it has increasing spatial interaction and decreasing temporal interaction.

Now we are ready to talk mass and relativity. After the initial changes have taken place and we find our volume in a state of Va=Vu+Vr then we have to introduce another form of motion for autonomous domains to form. Now this is where things can get confusing but basically the universal volume is one system falling through absolute space at a ratio of all of the internal Vu+Vr. To separate itself from the universal system whereby having its own value of relative c temporal fall through absolute space, constructive interactions must take place to allow for the formation of angular momentum within the Vr motions of the universal system, Upon which a volume is said to be autonomous thus maintaining its own absolute motion value with its temporal decent through absolute space being a proportional value of the ratio of its internal Va=Vu+Vr.

Here in lies the secret to Relativistic Mechanics and QM, so pay close attention…lmao. An autonomous volumes Vu to Vr ratio is the foundation for the mass of that volume as an increase in Vu is an increase in mass thus as we keep in the back of our mind…..you guessed it…..the rate at which that autonomous volume is temporally falling through absolute space. Thus, we can easily imply and visualize that to temporally fall at the same rate, two volumes must either have identical Vu+Vr or the less massive one with the greater Vr to Vu content must near the more massive one to share the increased spatial density created between it and the universal systems Vr EM field due to falling at a different rate through it whereby an area of this spatial density is created perpendicular to the direction of the massive objects fall through the universal systems field, whereby the less massive autonomous volume can get fixed within this area and proportionally compensate for its lack of Vu mass, by virtually increasing it to identical values by way of orbiting the more massive object, thus temporally falling at the exact same rate. When many autonomous volumes with varying Vu to Vr ratio’s clump together , not only does the individual angular momentum come into play, but also the rotation of the whole about its axis, as it also orbits the more massive body merely in an attempt to find itself with equal mass Va=Vu to Vr ratio (by increasing through rotation and orbital motion) whereby falling at the same rate. When in terms of solar systems, the direction of this temporal decent would play a key role in establishing the poles of the sun and planets, thus establishing the magnetic interactions and such throughout the system as the shape of the distortion perpendicular to the direction of travel would create a dynamic realm of Vr motions which account for the magnetic phenomenon and such, which we can relate to the areodynamic concept. This accounts for the orinetation and orbital direction of galaxies and such. A similar interaction takes place with the direction of decent of the smaller autonomous volumes whereby they have magnetic moments and such due to the poles established by their direction of temporal decent which establishes their rotation.

Lloyd I have complete faith that despite a few terminology differences we may need to work out, the dynamics of this model has all the requirements you and I need to finish the science books once and for all. Please do your best to see the importance that I feel is within this post, as I really need your help to go any further. If you’ve given a good effort and don’t see the value of the absolute frame I just established then we’ll have to sort that out as we go, but upon all my contemplating and headaches due to, I see the true value in this framework, as now we have a ground state to derive the relationships of the large macro and the small micro and correct the implications of Relativity that space tells matter how to move and matter tells space how to curve with its implication of intersecting worldlines and such seemingly disallowing an absolute frame of reference, as being better understood as being the relationship between absolute space (void) and absolute time (rate of fall through the void) that tell matter what motions it must go through in order to establish the absolute positions necessary to discover the absolute relationship of all things in existence.

Please read this with patients Lloyd as I know that you can see the mathematical relationships within this model in terms of values that I can only see in terms of physical interactions. I also realise that we may need to work out more of the details, but I believe this is the foundation from which we must build from as only an absolute spatial and temporal framework can unite RM and QM properly, IMHO.

Thanks my friend,

Tim

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Tim, top of the morning to ya... And yes, I follow you absolutely and completely__You are correct to my thinking as well, as this is just a fuller description of what you briefly alluded to yesterday, and days before, about external Black Hole motion mechanics, which hit me like a ton of bricks__but a good ton of gold-bricks. The falling analogy works fine, as all orbits are figured presently as 'fallings', as the moon falls at 32ft./sec./sec. orbit around Earth. That's why I commended you on the Black Hole discovery, as I immediately saw just what you've written above, i.e., a complete explanation of mass and gravity, by way of simple absolute fundamental motion mechanics. I know this is right, as it's as I mentioned it to Dave years ago, but your language interpretation is complete, whereas mine was not fully worked out. Many of my posts have mentioned motion creating mass and gravity, but I hadn't even begun to relate the exact Va = Vu « Vr maths, angular momentums, and orbital necessities to it, and it's been clearly before my eyes for years__just not a united view. It's just that trigger yesterday, and from a few days before about Black Holes(posts #41 and #42), that I think I originally mentioned, but hadn't followed up__you followed up and completed. Congrats...!!!

Now, for working out our three 'Dark-Light Models'__One starting out from Colliding Spheres__One starting out from falling Absolute Volumes in Absolute Space__And; One starting out from the Absolute c Volume, and its falling/moving most Infinitesimal Absolute Volumes, Condensing to Larger Volumes... Really, they all three fit in your 'Falling Volumes' model mechanics...

I'm still putting all the pieces of Dave's, mine and your models together__with a more sound language, if that's entirely possible, so back to ya later...

Thanks for the clarity,
Lloyd

[analog]

you followed up and completed. Congrats...!!!

Thanks Lloyd, but I'm not done yet, as the connections from which we stand atop and are now getting a glimpse of the whole is allowing many things to fall into place to make even further connections whereby as you suggested the other day.....this is getting more and more simple.

Now, for working out our three 'Dark-Light Models'__One starting out from Colliding Spheres__One starting out from falling Absolute Volumes in Absolute Space__And; One starting out from the Absolute c Volume, and its falling/moving most Infinitesimal Absolute Volumes, Condensing to Larger Volumes... Really, they all three fit in your 'Falling Volumes' model mechanics...

I'm still putting all the pieces of Dave's, mine and your models together__with a more sound language, if that's entirely possible, so back to ya later...

I hope you see the entirety of what I described, if not then let me make some further implications I hope we can unify on. Due to my new motion model and the insight I gather from it, I think I can without a doubt give a firm foundation to a recycle model as you suggested before with a concept we are already familiar with. Do you see what I think we are describing here?

According to Maxwell's equations, a spatially-varying electric field generates a time-varying magnetic field and vice versa. Therefore, as an oscillating electric field generates an oscillating magnetic field, the magnetic field in turn generates an oscillating electric field, and so on. These oscillating fields together form an electromagnetic wave.

The recycle component can be firmly grounded in the dynamics by which a universal volume propagates through absolute space and absolute time, as I referenced earlier with my new falling motion model, as this is the same process by which we acknowledge the propagation of an electromagnetic wave. When nearing full velocity c fall through the temporal some dynamic occurs due to the increased and high rate of change through the spatial that creates a dynamic phenomenon of a type of spatial drag, whereby the volume begins its first stages of Vu linear at c through temporal conversion to increasingly more Vr to Vu ratios as the volume temporally slows and spatially expands, upon which, when nearing near zero temporal propagation due to such an expanded state, the internal process begins to take place whereby condensing the volume back from near Va=Vr to increasing ratios of Vu to Vr whereby spatial interaction decreases and temporal interaction increases. The internal and external dynamics by which this takes place needs further discussion, but basically the volume can't exist only spatially (as with no temporal fall) or temporally (as with no spatial dimensions) At full Va=Vu linear c temporal fall, the volume would continue to reduce in size until it didn't exist/vanished from the spatial dimensions, At full Va=Vr the volume would continue to disperse until it had no temporal propagation, thus existence has a mechanism by which these two extremes are avoided, whereby the propagation implies a constant recycle of the entire system giving definition to both absolute space and absolute time just as we acknowledge through the dynamics of EM propagation within Maxwell's equations, which we can relate to such now.

I think we have better theoretical grounds here than we do with the other scenario's, and perhaps your hydrodynamics can help with exactly what states of motion are going on internally when coming from extreme Vr recycled to extreme Vu. Don't you see the beauty in this? What more would the interaction of the whole be other than that which it recursively replicates at its most fundamental EM resolution. It's just a matter of a simple recursive process to the point that the entire story of the largest is told in entirety by the proper understanding of the smallest.

More in a bit,

Tim

P.S. Basically as discussed with the motion spectrum ideas, this universal wave is creating all of its possible frequencies through its propagation through time ie structured matter, stars, planets, black holes, us, etc., and giving a spatial example of what such should look like with black holes being the nearest to initial spatially maintained state.

[analog]

I can't help but consider what a beautiful concept this is. Nature has given us the blueprints to existence hidden at both extremes from us. To understand what happened over such vast time scales, we must look at the smallest of spatial resolution interactions and to understand what happens at those smallest of spatial resolutions which we can't witness, we must look at the largest of time scales. It's the most beautiful thought I think I've ever had with such pure symmetry that it must be right.......

"We now know what happens through the greatest periods of time, through which we could not touch, by examining the smallest areas of space, and we now know what happens within the smallest areas of space, within which we can not see, by a reaxamination of those greatest periods of time."- Timothy Lester (aka analog)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Internal Mechanics of Electricity, or The Absolute EM-FS-Fields, Fundamental Motions...

This is that thought I mentioned yesterday, when I walked over to the shower-house__and as I said your model can be used as its fundamental mechanics, though we may still be seeing the over-all model a bit differently as to the exact positioning of the mechanics of Va, Vu and Vr. I'm still looking at this most fundamental mechanics of wave motions, but I thought I'd post this bit about it, so you may see we're both heading in the same direction...

Later,
Lloyd

Do you see what I think we are describing here?

Oh yeah, the whole enchilada__Not complete ToE, but unification of all four forces, which are really only three, plus time__But time, which in my picture is also a fundamental force__The hydrodynamic fundamental between Va and Vu « Vr, which is no more than the most fundamental wave super-symmetry at limits(The law/motion of least action, which creates most action)__Both Macro and Micro, imo... Let me see where you are heading... We should be able to massively extend 'The Universal Laws of Motion', with these models' combined mechanics...

To complete the ToE, we have to also extend it into 'Biological Evolution', but I have much of that, already to go__'The Competitions of Bio-Machines, which Inter-Produce our Semi-Limited Free-Wills...' You may not like that, but 'Inter-Mechanical-Competition', within all bio-creatures__'Necessitates' it...

The internal and external dynamics by which this takes place needs further discussion, but basically the volume can't exist only spatially (as with no termporal fall) or temporally (as with no spatial dimensions)

Now, you're seeing the fundamentals of why I've been all along saying it's 'A Triadic Necessity of Action and 3D Space'__Always... This is why the Va=Vu, Va=Vr, or absolute Va are our abstract views, just to sort the mechanics, yet 'The Real EM-FS-Field is Always a 3-D Triadic Volume Necessity of Fundamental Motions and Matter...' The ratios can vary, but the product of the ratios must always sum to the 'Conservation Laws' of mass, matter, energy, space, motion, time or however else we represent it__'The Bio-Bugs Within...'

Your mention of avoiding the extremes, is the first post I started with in my 'False and True Philosophical Utopias' thread, and offering 'Conflexivity' as 'The Middle Way...' This Middle Way is popping up in more places than I ever dreamed of, and now, we're finding it in the 'Absolute Fundamental Mechanics of Motion'. I've found this 'Middle Way' or 'Mean Term', or 'Mean Mechanics' all throughout recorded history's mentalities' many ideas, from many lands... Maybe now, we'll finally understand 'Why...'

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Tim, I just noticed a correction was needed above, about the Bio-Bugs... It actually belongs after this paragraph, not the one above...

To complete the ToE, we have to also extend it into 'Biological Evolution', but I have much of that, already to go__'The Competitions of Bio-Machines, which Inter-Produce our Semi-Limited Free-Wills...' You may not like that, but 'Inter-Mechanical-Competition', within all bio-creatures__'Necessitates' it__'The Bio-Bugs Within...'

Some mistakes exist in some of my other posts also, but I'll get to them later... Been a long 4th of July day with the family__good times and good food and drink, though...

Talk to ya a bit later,
Lloyd

[analog]

I didn't do much today. I haven't had but just a few hours sleep scattered here and there over the last few days due to my mind running too fast for my body to slow down enough to sleep. lol. My girlfriend just thinks I'm playing on the internet all day, which complicates things cause it's hard to explain the importance of what we're discussing and the level at which these theories are based to those who know me, cause I have two personalities which I have to swap between. There's the me that grew up in the sticks and drinks a lot of beer, and there's the me that has these conversations with you and tries to complete the work of the greatest minds the world has known. As you can imagine, those two don't mix. I'm just a working class guy around here, and it's hard to look your friends in the face and tell them that you're helping complete something that Einstein (as he is the most commonly known) failed to do, as you finish your beer....lmao. How'd that ole bible saying go? "A prophet can never be a prophet in his own villiage", basically cause everyone knows him just as their neighbor.....We'll neither can a good ole boy think with geniuses, when your from my villiage cause you'll always just be ole Tim. I can't even look people in the eye with a straight face and even try to explain the importance of what you and I are doing here, cause they would think me to be insane.....lmao. Just a lil conversational break from the seriousness.

Happy 4th,

Tim

[labelwench]

The most 'ordinary' people are capable of the most extraordinary accomplishments, given the opportunity.

When one is doing something of such nature, it is often as well not to expend one's energy in explanation to those who do not understand.

The results of one's efforts will speak for themselves.

Sometimes in life, though one is surrounded by supportive people, in essence, one is 'going it alone.'

Life is a personal journey, and we are fortunate when we find others to share it with.

Most excellent that you and Lloyd have embarked on this sharing, both for yourselves, and those of us following this thread.

[analog]

The implications discussed before should give one a solid visualization of the relationship of the “forces” of nature, as the same dynamics from which we look around us to find are all taking place in the propagation of light itself within the quantum world, as it would have its own scaled down version of substance fluidly swapping between near absolute solidity to near absolute expansion with its own scaled down internal versions of each of the four fundamental forces of nature establishing the process by which such can take place. This is the wave/particle duality of the quantum world, as we can now see without a doubt that we are within just such a relationship as the fundamental universal volume propagates/falls going through state changes of the near absolute solidity of the Va=Vu state when accelerating to near c through the temporal, to the near absolute expansion of the Va=Vr state when accelerating to near c through the spatial. Quantum mechanics operates within the same parameters as does the universe, they are just taking place at such small scales of time and space that the obvious state changes we can now recognize from within looking out, were before not as apparent to us. If there is an implication to dimensions within dimensions, then this is the only bases for such, but I doubt that complete scaled down universes are within every cycle of an EM particle/wave as they are dealing with the condensation of much smaller volumes than is our universal system, however the physics are just the same.

Now back to the macro. The fall of the universal volume through absolute space with its conserved changing of c velocity goes through repetitive state change cycles which only exist in the direction of temporal fall, whereby having no record from moment to moment unless viewed as a block universe which I choose not to at the moment. With the state change of increasing Vr from Vu temporal fall, whereby the expansion process begins, the volume could theoretically form large areas of near Va=Vu angular momentum, which separated its temporal descent from the spatial expansion of the universal volume in all directions. This would be considered a black hole whereby its temporally falling velocity would be the nearest to c within our universal volume. It would have a mass so great that it would quickly accelerate past all other lesser massive structures in their own degree of temporal descent if not for its motion of falling through the larger EM field of the universal system causing a moving displacement within the field in the temporal direction as we can easily imagine in the sense of magnetic lines of flux created as the field in front is compressed and cycled around behind to continuously fill the void which would other wise be left behind if not for such dynamics. The lateral expansion of this interaction dynamic is traveling outward like a huge disc of interaction perpendicular to the temporal direction of fall, but is continuously falling with the black hole through the temporal direction at the rate of descent proportional to the Va=Vu+Vr ratio established by the black hole, which is far less velocity than the EM field interactions within the areas of disturbance which are taking place due to the motions of the massive object. It is within this lateral area of disturbance that less massive objects combine their own relative Vu to Vr ratios thus combining their masses with rotations and orbits whereby temporally falling at the exact rate of the black hole, as we imagine them as being caught within its “gravity” of spatial aether displacement.

The enormous mass of the black hole would have density changes going out laterally which would be a steady and smooth progression of near absolute Vu all the way out to the extreme edges of its displacement field whereby it was smoothly blended back to the near absolute Vr of the spatial aether. Along this lateral field of displacement is a similar spatial record of the exact process which is happening temporally concerning the entire universal volume as a whole, which represents the near full spectrum of motion from field to structure progressively displayed throughout space rather than throughout time.

Later,

Tim

[analog]

Now that we have the relationship between the macro and micro, we can easily interpret (or maybe not) some of the more complicated implications of Quantum Mechanics.

Quantum electrodynamics (QED) is the relativistic quantum field theory of electrodynamics. It basically describes how light and matter interact and is the first theory where full agreement between quantum mechanics and special relativity is achieved. QED mathematically describes all phenomena involving electrically charged particles interacting by means of exchange of photons and represents the quantum counterpart of classical electrodynamics giving a complete account of matter and light interaction. One of the founding fathers of QED, Richard Feynman, has called it "the jewel of physics" for its extremely accurate predictions of quantities like the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron, and the Lamb shift of the energy levels of hydrogen.[1]
In technical terms, QED can be described as a perturbation theory of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum.

QED can now be better understood relative to this framework in the sense that for photons to be recursive micro interactions within the same macro universal process going on in which it is contained, then the photon itself must be establishing its own temporal direction of propagation, whereby it can be seen to be falling through its absolute spatial and temporal frames independent of the temporal direction established by the macro universal volume. Thus, QED can be seen to be the physical link of interactions between the varying micro temporal directions of photons and the static macro temporal direction of the universal volume.

The key components of Feynman's presentation of QED are three basic actions.

• A photon goes from one place and time to another place and time.
• An electron goes from one place and time to another place and time.
• An electron emits or absorbs a photon at a certain place and time.

It's the intersection of these temporal paths which are the key to QED, IMHO, as we can now imagine the interactions of photons and structured matter as being the interactions between two seperate systems whereby having two seperate temporal directions through which they fall. Matter is a spatial system which is within the universal system with a shared temporal direction. It changes its interaction with the absolute spatial dimension by way of angular momentum, rotation, orbit, etc. which alters its mass, but shares the same temporal direction as the universal volume/system. Light (photons) is a temporal system that changes its interaction with the temporal dimension of the larger universal volume by way of altered temporal direction but shares its absolute spatial dimension with the universal volume. This is the key to the unification of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, IMHO. The secret to QED by my interpretation can be found when these temporal paths cross whereby matter either emits photons (increasing the Vr to Vu ratio of the atomic structure and its constituents by a physical loss of FS) which have an altered temporal path, thus changing the spatial orientation of the structured matter accordingly; absorbs photons (increasing the Vu to Vr ratio of the atomic structure and its constituents by gaining FS) whereby altering the spatial orientation of the sturctured matter accordingly; photons convert into structured matter through angular momentum, which now finds itself falling through the same temporal path as the universal volume; or fundamental structured matter annihilates creating a new temporal path as a photon is given off to share the same spatial dimensions as the entire universal system. It's the relationship of either sharing the same absolute temporal path as with matter, or sharing the same absolute spatial dimension as with photons. The conversions between this relationship should shed some light on the mysterious quantum world of which we before were so "uncertain" of.


later,

Tim