Philosophysics of a fundamental substance

[Lloyd Gillespie]

A General Geometric Formulation of FS Mass To Gravity…”Everything physical is three dimensional; No such a thing as a physical entity having less than that. These are just the fantasy games of mathematicians and why theories such as “String Theory” are basically worthless without any testable evidence. You need to stop throwing gasoline on the fires of ignorance!” David

Tim discovers superior mechanics of Dave’s FS wave/motion system: Inverse Scalar Mass, at limit, is exactly proportional to linear FS motion in angular momentum/spin__Va = Vu « Vr ® Vu ® ∞… FS Mass, at limit, is inversely proportional to linear matter motion, in scalar mass decrease of Va = Vu « Vr ® Vu ® ∞… Mass is an inverse scalar wave of FS in Absolute motion, to limits… This is all being figured in Non-linear Geometry ® ∞… ® ∞ simply means a recursively cycling absolute FS Wave Motion Mechanical System… Scalar waves super-position at Vu « Vr hydrodynamic limits, and cancel/unite__into re-cycle, through nearest absolute zero k motion dynamics of quantum state changes, created by the scalar decay of finity’s FS Mass Motions toward infinity, and its least dense state of Ma, or Mass Absolute = Total Field EM-Mass__at scalar maximum__The Higgs Field, by the necessity of the mechanics offered…

After re-studying the three FS Motion System Models, thus far discussed at the many threads of this forum, the above is the general interpretations I’ve arrived at. This is only a preliminary synopsis. Right or wrong, all mistakes involved are my own__but, after looking at what the three models have to offer at total solutions, I found all three offer pieces of what’s truly needed to solve, not only all the physical dynamics, but the entire unification of the maths involved between RM and Qm…

Dave’s model deserves the most credit for steering us all toward a better understanding of the Absolute Fundamentals this Universe of ours consists of. Tim’s model deserves the credit of giving the vision of the most complete Mass to Gravity mechanics. My model deserves the credit of giving the general overall scientific c-light velocity framework, necessary to fit all three models within. Dave’s may be the most powerful tool model, but Tim’s offers its most insightful tool model simplicity, where mine offers the most complete model mechanics of the perpetual motion spontaneous necessity of total motion. Dave’s model allows us to virtually step outside the entire Universe to get the largest objective view of the system’s mechanics. Tim’s model allows us to see the same mechanics with an objective view being contained within the entire 3D-EM-Field. My model offers a triadic objective views perspetive__One absolutely outside the entire universe, with a virtual Universal Cyclatron view__One of a Total and Eternal Re-Cycling Mechanics, with a Hydrodynamic Prime Mover__and, one of possible Universal Formulations, using Non-Linear Geometry and Algebra, corresponding to our Physical Universal Systems’ Substances and Mehanics of, which will still require much explanation…

Criticisms of all three models would be as such: Dave’s model steps outside of known science, with his virtual absolute motion model requiring faster than light absolute mechanics__I feel this is a major drawback for the real physical Universe being represented, yet the model still offers the most powerful tool of Universal Wave Motion Mechanics, which I see as an excellent achievement of David. Tim’s model offers possibly the most important vision of the possibility of the formulatable maths, from the greatest Universal Motions, all the way to the finest of hyper-fine structures of the hydrogen atom, in my view__but lacks the maths themselves. My model offers the most precise scientific logic and maths, due to respecting c-light velocity, which no science has thus far exceeded in experiments, anywhere__yet my model had lacked the motion mechanics offered by Dave’s and Tim’s models, at the finer, finest and more gross Universal levels, as mine has been, from the beginning, more concentrated on the total possibility of Fundamental Motion’s Absolutely Necessary Mechanics push/force, if I can state it that way, as it’s actually eternal, as a Virtual/Real Prime Mover, really being the Central Mechanics of All Universal Motion__centered on A Least Action Law of Wave Super-Symmetry, at limit…

Now, there’s no doubt, the most credit goes to Dave, but Dave’s model could not have been finished and made to correspond with our Real Universal Physical Systems without Tim’s and My models__So, in the end__It’s a Triadic Effort Model, yet with many others at TQ, to be thanked also…

All mistakes and omissions mine,
Lloyd

P.s.
Graham, your mathematical modeling skills will be needed here also, to help finish my mathematical modeling in projective logic and non-linear algebra and geometry, as these absolute models can be formulated in such. All those mathematical papers I loaded on you may come in handy, as I'm looking at an isomorphic mapping of all the Universal Laws and Actions into larger, and smaller, Universal and eigenvector spaces__allowing better visions into the hyper-fine structures, along with the total structures. This can be acomplished with such projective ratio-logics and maths. Imo, we're looking at an Absolute Energy Particle, of Mass/Energy Potential__The Higgs, and its Universal Field Mechanics over time/distance. Crude and general for now, but anyway...

[analog]

Hello there Lloyd,

It just wouldn't be right if it weren't three of us would it my friend, due to the intrinsic triadic relationships found all throughout nature? lol. Va (Dave's overall motion mechanics)=Vu (Lloyd's hydrodynamic recycle mechanics) + Vr (Tim stumbles upon some applicable system mechanics)...... Lmao. I'm definately the random motion component of this equation....lol.

I should have some time later today to do a bit of research and throw some new ideas in. In all honesty Lloyd, what do you think are the chances of these concepts being understood and accepted by some whereby having any chance at an acknowledged GUT and perhaps later a ToE when we get the "bio-bugs" worked out? Thanks for the acknowledgment.

later,

Tim

[Lloyd Gillespie]

One never knows Tim... It may work up into something important... I ain't won much at the lottery lately, but who knows...?

Just thought I'd let ya know I probably won't be on much over the next two or three weeks__My laptop just burned out its power supply... Hope I can get a new power supply__If not I'll get a new laptop at the end of the month...

Best of luck,
Lloyd

Hello there Lloyd,

It just wouldn't be right if it weren't three of us would it my friend, due to the intrinsic triadic relationships found all throughout nature? lol. Va (Dave's overall motion mechanics)=Vu (Lloyd's hydrodynamic recycle mechanics) + Vr (Tim stumbles upon some applicable system mechanics)...... Lmao. I'm definately the random motion component of this equation....lol.

I should have some time later today to do a bit of research and throw some new ideas in. In all honesty Lloyd, what do you think are the chances of these concepts being understood and accepted by some whereby having any chance at an acknowledged GUT and perhaps later a ToE when we get the "bio-bugs" worked out? Thanks for the acknowledgment.

later,

Tim

[labelwench]

Technology is letting us down, I observe. First Graham has his computer give him grief, and now yours is also being problematic, Lloyd. I had two go on the blink last year, and know how frustrating it can be if one has projects on the go, or loses data.

Ah well, everything has it's strength and limitations. I'm thinking that today's generation of youngsters would be apoplectic if the grid went down for a week.

Hoping that technical matters get resolved for both Graham and yourself in the near future, and don't doubt that both of you will have plenty of 'food for thought', as neither of you seem given to having idle minds.

Regards,

LW

[G_burnett]

Lloyd thanks for the vote, all ..... short note.. I am still not happy with the fundimental substance exist. I have been right into the toronic structure to understand the colision event of varied wave state transient (and static) to free radical state created as asymmetric to then go symmetric and wink out.. blah blah ... the Rutherford model i have been able to expand on for the noted problem of incompleteness in his paper regards spin and motion. the scatter to 90 degree more the rule i have been able to define why and i have not stopped there in my more recent pen to paper but give a solution to the vortex pigtail of the 'so called' positron in that famous Boise Einstein Chamber picture why it seem like a time travel event ... I further can discount the the diagram of Feynman to the positron electron colision as a misslead and unclear representation of just two electron colide to a reel not a positron involved at all the clarity. .. I have been very busy and will try to publish more with the time.
The transfer in the Toronic structure is very important to grasp ... it changes from that point zero and into that point zero from the two vectors determinate after conect and after colide ... the geometric reality of the 90 degree transfer is shown in full relation to state forward.. and now up in the atomic WOW ... the dynamics are all there and i have been thinking under the manifold too as it marry the QT and Relativity ... here is a doggy biscuit ... the life of an electron prior to winking out is the key to our motion from the beginning of time being dimensioned in the ratio for it reaches symmetry after frame drag in the linear value toronic .. chat later ... are all our comps getting sabotaged by god?

Kind regards graham

[analog]

Hi Lloyd, Greg and all,

I’ve been geared more into work thinking lately and haven’t given much thought to our discussions, so I think I’ll just clear my mind for a moment and throw some ideas out here as they come to me while writing this post and see where they go or if they work up into anything further.
　
The current discussion is based on modeling the universal volume’s interactions as having a recursive mechanics throughout existence acknowledged at the next stage inward by our interpretation of the interactions and physical mechanics of a photon. This is the ONLY logical way to solve the scales, distance, resolution and temporal problems in the understanding of existence in terms of the infinite, infinitesimal and eternal barriers we are up against and the seemingly unknowable nature of existence itself as we try to solve the greatest riddle of all that has been forever happening over such vast distances with an accuracy down to the smallest of resolutions. The nature of existence in all of its conserved energies and forces would have to reduce down to a super symmetry of motion and recursive processes for understanding to ever be accomplished, otherwise, we might as well all give up on this quest and lets move over to a sports forum or something and exchange ideas about who’s going to win one of the over exaggerated bowls, cups, series, etc. this year.
　
The logical process acknowledged by this thread implies that we solve the seemingly infinite macro scale problem to learn the external dynamics of the most macro universal interactions beyond its light cone simply by studying and observing the external dynamics of the most micro scaled version of this recursive process visible to us (i.e. photon) as we are viewing beyond its light cone in relatively short instances of time as it cycles through its motions in terms of frequency, wavelength and amplitude throughout its linear propagation. This in turn resolves the seemingly infinitesimal micro scale problem of the mechanics going on internally within the light cone of the photon in terms of how it establishes those same attributes of frequency, wavelength and amplitude, and the foundations of what those attributes really imply to our understanding as we can now apply our understanding of the broken aspects of our acknowledged super symmetry, as it reveals itself in terms of energies, forces, thermodynamics, etc. as now and only now do we find that the culmination of electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong interactions all reside as internal mechanics of a temporally autonomous volume (photon/universal volume) as it linearly propagates no matter what resolution we view it as being. In short, it is the scaled down internal electromagnetic, gravitational, weak and strong interactions of the photon which act upon the volume of fundamental substance which makes it up which allow it to go through the physical transitional phases which establish a frequency, wavelength and amplitude whereby we come to know it as a particular type of EM radiation due to our understanding of the electromagnetic spectrum which also explains its wave/particle nature as being relative to its current stage of expansion and contraction within the cycle, and it is the scaled up concept of frequency, wavelength and amplitude applied to our universal volume which allows us to finally visualize that its internal gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and strong interactions are merely cycling it through the recursively larger exact same process, all of such forces reducing to a super symmetry of fundamental matter in absolute motion. Thus, now we are in a much better position to approach the seemingly eternal aspect of existence as this all becomes not when, where, why and how, but rather simply what is, was, has always and will forever be.
　
To understand such, I think it is important to visualize the separation of the systems themselves and answer some of the fundamental aspects of this model. If we step in at our current universal stage of the cycle, then we can acknowledge all of the Vr motions of the material spatial aether as being part of the universal system itself as allowing for the separation of structured matter. Structured matter becomes spatially autonomous to this resolution by the motions within this medium being constructive enough to allow for angular momentum of a minimal volume of FS. At this point, as with the falling bodies model I proposed, structured matter isn’t temporally autonomous to the universal system as the temporal sequencing of all structured matter is shared due to the reciprocal nature of its linear falling velocity relative to the speed of light or c, thus allowing for the true mechanism of how mass and spatial density dictate proper spatial separation between spatially autonomous volumes of structured matter. This gets into the quantum atomic model which will be discussed soon. Electromagnetic radiation is temporally autonomous to the universal system as its direction of linear propagation (fall) is in its own unique direction whereby establishing the internal interactions of its volume to have their own sequencing in terms of mass, spatial separation, etc. The universal system and the photonic systems are the two scales at which the overall process take place in terms of autonomous systems whose internal interactions are reducible to energies and forces.
　
The spatial aether of the universal system can be visualized as the medium upon which the waves of motion propagate. I tend to imagine the Vr motions of this medium as being a transverse wave effect whereby this overall dynamic doesn’t require volumes of the medium to change position relative to each other, other than that required to transfer motion itself as visualized with shaking a rope or waves in the ocean. In contrast, angular momentum is the mechanism which allows for a volume to become spatially autonomous, whereby fundamental substance itself is internally rearranging as volumes do move through less dense volumes or mediums. This is more of a longitudinal wave dynamic. This is a key aspect in understanding the dynamics of this model, as in one case the matter is transferring the motion (transverse), and in the other case motion is transferring the structured matter (longitudinal) due to angular momentum allowing for a spatially autonomous structured volume within an autonomous domain, whereby the waves of motion of unstructured matter can now act upon structured matter. This is how we arrive at the relationship of matter and spatial separation and what is actually moving what as the universal landscape changes from increment to increment of elapsed motion relative to c, i.e. time.
　
Now we can visualize that the autonomous temporal system of the photon is a combination of both types of wave dynamics. Any internal unstructured Vr state can be seen as more transverse as matter transfers motion acting as a medium, and any internal structured volume of angular momentum can be seen as motion transferring matter allowing internal changes in position of such volumes. These are the dynamics by which a temporal system, whether a photon or a universal volume, cycle through its motions. It’s a relationship of mass moving forward through a less dense medium which establishes the dynamics to which the super symmetry is broken into its currently acknowledged pieces of the puzzle. Mass is merely the linear momentum of the FS wave itself moving forward with the linear propagation of the wave with the interactions established by such through contraction and expansion allowing for the consistency to which we measure EM radiation to have the same frequency, wavelength and amplitude through vast distances of space.

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[analog]

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As with our current universal stage, when we have various structured volumes within unstructured spatial densities, then there is no void which isn’t one or the other. The interactions previously discussed establish the relationship by which volumes have spatial density, separation of mass, etc. All internal volumes of substance are exactly where they are required to be dependent upon the stage of the universal cycle. The motions of spatially autonomous volumes (high Vu structured atomic matter) through and within unstructured spatial mediums (high Vr aethereal space) sets up a relationship of required balance throughout this little dance of existence. The Vr will fill all voids through its chaotic motions as its density is relative to the mass density of structured matter within an area of space. This is the intrinsic relationship which allows for our acknowledgment of a “quantum” of energy as with quantum physics. Its merely a displacement aspect of equalization relative to mass and spatial density as suggested by the various orbits of the electron having greater and lesser energy levels thus absorbing or emitting quanta of energy in terms of photons due to or as a result of a change in its orbit depending upon what we universally acknowledge as moving what in terms of the medium transferring mass or acting in response to the transference of mass. Either way, if the electron is considered as having a degree of angular momentum whereby allowing it to move within the medium rather than being considered to be merely the motions of the medium, then its orbital relationship to the nucleus of the atom is reduced to a Va=Vu+Vr value of the relationship of mass and spatial separation. One can now easily imagine that mass displaces “space” or rather structured matter displaces unstructured matter, whereby the presence of the electron in any orbit would correspond to a reciprocal value of unstructured substance within that orbit, thus the emission of a photon from an atom due to a change in orbit of an electron is merely a quantity/quanta of substance being displaced thus requiring equalization throughout the universal system for the intrinsic Va=Vu+Vr relationship of the whole to be maintained as we can now imagine the photon as propagating from the source by means of its imbalance between structured and unstructured state. Its unique nature of particle/wave duality is merely due to it arising as an interaction aspect between structured and unstructured matter, whereby it is a disturbance of the relationship of the two as seen with its propagation of a magnetic field (unstructured transverse state) creating an electric field (structured longitudinal state) which cycles back to a magnetic field, etc, etc, as the field gives rise to structured matter of higher mass values, which linearly propagates in the direction of the wave to forward the disturbance within the field upon expansion of mass decaying to spatial density to a frequency, wavelength, amplitude point of the whole at which spatial density condenses back to structured mass, thus further forwarding the interaction for the next cycle. It takes mass to allow for the propagation of this cycle else all motion of this process would revert back to strictly Vr chaotic motions of the universal system in which the photon system is interacting. The photon is a Va system of Vu to Vr through time rather than through space as seen with the Va=Vu+Vr of structured matter. It’s an emergent system due to the imbalance created between the motions of structured matter and unstructured space as such a dynamic requires a displacement aspect which maintains characteristics of both systems throughout its existence as it cycles. Thus, the equilibrium of the macro is maintained by the seemingly imbalanced nature of the micro. The absorption aspect of the photon by the atom is thus relative to the inverse process of the electron and its orbit as established by the mass values (Va=Vu+Vr) of structured and unstructured matter within a system.

The same would happen on the larger scale of planets orbiting suns as a quanta of substance would be displaced or be required to be displaced to move a planet to a closer/further orbit relative to the sun as large gravitational waves would be witnessed. It’s all really a simple acknowledgement of the dynamics of structured matter moving through unstructured matter (field) with a universal relative direction (structured matter) or the lack thereof (photons) whereby the unstructured field moves in unison with the confined domains of structured matter. The smaller less massive always orbit the larger more massive due to the displacement of the field itself as a result of the process by which the more massive falls through the field creating a displacement area perpendicular to the direction of fall/universally linear propagation. This is an aspect of structured matter imparting motion upon the field. Perhaps that which is orbiting in turn finds its rate of orbit and rotation upon its axis due to the field imparting motion upon the less massive structured matter relative to the displacement of the more massive as it falls, whereby they are both found with equal virtual mass values of Vu+Vr allowing for their uniform linear universal motion/equal rate of fall. There is a simple relationship there whereby we can interpret Einstein’s mass vs. spatial curvature as a more appropriate mass vs. spatial density dynamic with the equilibrium of which as being the mechanism through which we understand the standard model in terms of forces, energy, etc. Relate this view to the frequency, wavelength and amplitude dynamics of the universal system and you’ve looked externally beyond its light cone. Relate it to the same dynamics of the photon and you’ve effectively looked internally within its light cone as it is truly all a recursive process required for existence to merely exist, IMHO.
　
I’m toying with some ideas that the verified existence of thought and logic within our own minds is dependent upon such recursive interactions for their existence to be established as they would theoretically not be an emergent aspect of a system which couldn’t establish the mechanics required for the sequencing of events, thought, and logic allowable strictly due to such recursive interactions and mechanics. Thus in terms of logic, our thoughts would become our own proof of the verification of such a model due to its dependence upon it to exist. Thus, instead of; “I think therefore I am.” I would imply; “I think therefore it must be so.” It’s just a different philosophical/scientific approach I’m exploring when I get bored.
　
Later,

Tim

[dleviwing]

Not bad Tim! I'm impressed!

[analog]

Hi Dave,

After all of our conversations over the last couple of years, I know that isn't an easy accomplishment. Lol. Thanks my friend. I hold your opinion highly and such encourages me to keep going forward with my thoughts and ideas. Glad to see ya stop back by. Hope you'll hang around and contribute some much needed insight. It's always much appreciated.

Later,

Tim

[MJA]

.... “I think therefore I am.” I would imply; “I think therefore it must be so.” It’s just a different philosophical/scientific approach I’m exploring when I get bored.
　
Later,

Tim

The solution is much more simple than thought Tim, it is simply I.

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MJA