Philosophysics of a fundamental substance

[G_burnett]

I think supersymmetry is a good define of the quark bond allthough asymmetry might be the arguement if one would be vain. Hmm just going for coffee ... kind regards graham

[analog]

Exactly....Vu mass is the potential energy state of the kenetic energy state of the Vr EM field as it's decay to an unstructured matter state (expanded volume) is governed by c over absolute time, to limit of recycle of the whole and inversely, the Vr EM field motions are the potential energy state of the kenetic energy state of Vu mass as its condensation to structured matter is governed by c over absolute time to limit of recycle of the whole.

Einstein's genius was his ability to make predictions of seemingly complex systems by the observations of much simpler systems that better lent themselves to investigation through his application of the equivalency principle between non-inertial (accelerated frames) and gravitational frames. He merely investigated the simple to learn the complex. Our implications are that of an absolute all encompassing universal equivalency principle between the interactions and mechanics of the most micro photon systems and that of the most macro universal system. Thus, the universe is indeed our experiment simply by a proper acknowledgement of the absolute relationship of what is and thus required to be. We simply study the available aspects of one to better understand the other.

Later,

Tim

P.S. I think you come up with the biblical value of the "mark of the beast" i.e. Six hundred three score and six. Don't tell the religious folks....lmao.

[analog]

11-10-08

Hi Prof and GB,

By using the paradigm of fundamental substance, we can easily visualize materialization (e.g. space, atomic structures, planets, stars, black holes, etc.) as a spectrum from the current boundary of the Aethereal densities of inflating space on one end of the spectrum, to the other extreme boundary at the condensation/structural end of the spectrum we acknowledge as black holes.

If all of our measurable and observable dimension are more easily made within the middle of the spectrum where atomic structures clump and move in unison forming increasingly larger structures (e.g. planets, stars, us, etc.) then our understanding and measurements would also go from one extreme end of trying to measure aspects of expanses of 'space', which produce very little info in terms of mass, temperature, time, etc, to the culmination of the complex dynamics represented by some current mathematical interpretations of black holes at the other end of the spectrum of materialization. If our math is to represent/model reality then it should be an analog to existence whereby allowing the mental visualization of the dynamics of the entire spectrum of materialization. When it's representing something as extreme as a black hole, then it should manifest extreme dimensions and aspects. When it's representing the most extreme initial state then it too should reach its absolute representations, perhaps even manifesting infinities, eternities and such.

This is merely my opinion, and is gathered due to my strict mechanical views of existence. It's all just a systematic process where all internal measurable and observable relative degrees (e.g. mass, time, temperature, linear velocity, solidity, etc.) converge through their motions and building of structures back to the absolute initial state of the entire volume, of which black holes are the closest phenomenon/volume we currently acknowledge near that initial absolute state.

Sorry if you didn't want to hear all this. I haven't had a chance to discuss science lately and got a little over anxious I guess.....lol.

regards,

Tim

Here's an old one I came across Lloyd. It was near the time that I began to first question the motion/mass spectrum.

[analog]

Vr+Vu is merely the representation of the reciprocal relationship of mass/structured matter to field/unstructured matter. Increase ones value within the Va relationship and the others value decreases proportionally with each being the potential energy state to the kinetic energy state of the other depending on the phase of the cycle of the whole.

The gravitational relationship of the dynamics of massive bodies moving through/within unstructured field relative to imposed rotation and orbital motion upon the lesser massive body due to the wave dynamics of the unstructured field which allows for the seperation of mass between the two is related to current concepts of quantum entanglement and pair production with the motions of one structured mass having a quantum connection with the motion state of the other from production of matter/anti-matter pairs (conflicting motion pairs which cancel upon contact reducing all Vu of the structures back to Vr field motions) even to the point of their entangled motion states despite seemingly apparent spatial seperation. There is no true absolute seperation/void within the absolute quantum field though, as the disturbance of one becomes the influence of another with a magnitude relative to their distance of seperation within the EM field. This dynamic Is just as important to the micro as it is to the macro.

Closing thoughts for tonight.

Later,

Tim

[analog]

Hi Lloyd,

I've had some breakthroughs in my thinking this morning that I'll try to convey in short detail due to my time constraints. The following is my views of the mechanics of the recycle/hydrodynamic process necessary for the explaination of the propagation of the photonic and universal systems, and it is amazingly simple if we think about it. We merely have to construct the mechanics in a way that the strength of the mechanism to form structured matter and increase mass is reciprocal to acceleration to c velocity.

This is simple due to adhering to the absolute conservation of c. Angular momentum allows for a volume to become spatially autonomous, whereby the transverse waves of the EM field transfer the structure rather than matter transfering the motion as with the transverse EM field state. The field acts upon the structure to impart linear motion/fall perpendicular to the spin of angular momentum. As mass increases through condensation of unstructured field into structured domains the volume increases whereby the velocity of linear propagation increases proportionally to c due to the volumes interactions with larger surface areas of the transverse waves.

This process accelerates to the point that the mass value reaches a critical limit due to the fact that the angular momentum which restrains the autonomous internal Vr interactions, which also become more linear Vu, must drop proportionally/reciprocally with an increase in linear velocity/fall because if it didn't, some motions would have to be greater than c due to the curved trajectory of angular momentum vs. the strait trajectory required for c. Basically the wavelength of the angular momentum increased with a proportional drop of the frequency of the angular momentum due to the conservation of c.

Mass is still building to this point whereby the collapse of the angular momentum domain near linear c velocity releases all internal Vu+Vr volume as radiant energy expanding back to transverse Vr motions of the EM field. Constructive interference within this interaction during the high spatial density initial phase reproduces angular momentum within areas which begin the structred phase of the cycle all over again building all structured volumes to a mass point of convergence (when acknowledging more than one structured volume) by way of the dynamics of increase linear motion relative to increased mass whereby the process cycles again.

It's the simple relationship of field to structure whereby the mechanics which seperate the two are broken down due to the conservation of c within those mechanics. This should help better relate my falling bodies model and give a relation to E=MC2 along with giving a visual representation to the dynamics of the propagation of a photon which is recursively the same as that of the universal volume. It also gives relevance to the Big Bang as a mass breakdown recycle dynamic prior to each "bang". Ever consider that the same "bang" of the universe was merely that of EM propagation i.e. the photon?

More later.

Tim

[analog]

I'm still working all this out in my thoughts, but I see some points that need to be addressed. There has to be a relationship of the quantity of substance relative to the fields ability to accelerate it to near c, whereby allowing this interaction to be a recursive mechanism at the universal and photonic scale. Otherwise, the mass value thus volume of the photon would have to equal that of the critical limit of the universal volume. This isn't the case. Therefore for this concept to function without contradiction, the scaled down "blackholes"/highest angular momentum structures of the photon system would have their own recursive mechanism for acceleration to c whereby allowing them to accomplish such at much smaller scales, mass values and volumes. Perhaps the internal Vr value within the domain of angular momentum establishes the resistance to linear acceleration required whereby each scaled system can have the same recursive process due to the autonomous volumes relative relationship of the conversion of it's internal volume of Vr to Vu by way of imposed linear velocity extending the wavelength and shortening the frequency of internal Vr along with that of the angular momentum. Thus, this process would take place at much higher frequency when dealing with micro photon volumes vs. macro universal volumes. We simply can't deny the loss of the structure mechanism (angular momentum) due to conservation, so I feel this must be correct.

Due to this view, I'm more inclined to think of the Vr field as a material unstructured continuum, whereby higher resolution universal interactions are merely disturbances in the field with the scattered mass values of galaxies causing the lower resolution interactions of the photon systems amongst the same Vr field. The structured matter systems would reconverge to a point of near zero internal Vr when nearing c upon which losing the domain of angular momentum at a critical wavelength/frequency breakdown which released the internal volumes which exhibited more of a transverse motion aspect which overcome the weakend angular momentum domain releasing all radiant energy and recycling the process.

This leaves the system open however, whereby photon systems propagate outward and are a loss to the universal system, whereby it is losing energy/mass per cycle effecting the magnitude of the next cycle in terms of a steady and consistent increased wavelength and decreased frequency and amplitude. Thus, the universal system would be representative of the mechanics for tired light, as the photon systems would have the same dynamics.

It would appear that c is possibly an average value for the propagation of light also, due to the concept that if we measure it as a constant linear value and acknowledge the varying rate of linear propagation of structured mass systems furthering the EM wave through the cycle then our value of c would have to be exceeded at phases of the cycle to make up for the loss in linear motion at the beginning of every cycle and the process of building it back to an absolute motion value to allow us to measure an average of c. Maybe this is why Dave chooses a higher value for absolute motion?

I'm still considering all of this. It makes me think of the universal volume going supernova in a sense. I'm just thinking out loud here.

later,

Tim

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Tim, let's try it this way... The only reason I choose to let my model stay within c, is the fact science has never discovered any other real velocity, and even if c varried, we'd never be able to measure it, as all our instruments would vary also__thus, since nothing other than c has been discovered, and any other c would make no difference to our logic system, I choose to stay within c. A further reason is to stay more fundamental to the known facts, to make an initial model's mechanics simpler, and the fact I can see how such mechanics can function within all the laws of physics, and respect all the physics presently known and most suspected__yet with the added benefit of the self-circuitry perpetual motion, of a genuinely scientific prime mover... Any models stepping outside c are merely conjectures, although many QM models do project such, I see no benefit in creating models based in imagination, that could never be proved by any math, experiment or logic quantifier possibility... Yes, these +c models will work in our imaginal logics, but no science can be had to support them__they be eternally unprovable, just the same as Dave's colliding spheres model is unprovable, because such a model would have to account for what formed the sphere's and collisional forces, to begin with__so, it's a circular logic, with no prime mover mechanics. Now, I full well know it's been argued that no prime mover mechanics can be logically proved, but I can logically prove that's false, just by a full realization of decay mechanics limits do exist, even by just realizing what you mentioned above about the universal volume losing mass to infinity, as I'll state it. I already mentioned this to Dave years ago, but in one of his obstinate moods, he rejected even discussing such a decay model__but I see no other way to recover the absolutely logically necessary mechanics of some form of a prime mover, for not only his model, but yours as well. Yes, we can use the falling mechanics as an excellent visual model of many of the universe's mechanics, but what makes anything fall...? I'm not taking anything away from the excellent vision offered by your model, but there's no sceintific ground for a single falling direction for a universe__the universe is random directional linear and random Vr motion, as to total volume, containing Vu structures... Yes, it may be expanding, but many galaxies are blue shifted as well, in their local clusters, even though more are red shifted...

I'd rather answer the questions of how any universe can maintain its finite mass, without losing it to infinity upon the decay processes we absolutely know are taking place, as you also speculated above. Light travels in almost straight lines all throughout space, except of course the slight bending of RM(relative mechanics)__really less than .575 of an arc second, I think if I remember correctly. That's an awfully small degree, and far from enough to not allow decaying photons to escape to infinity, thus reducing the finite universal mass of structured bodies' mass over time, yet the Universe being eternal by its necessary logic, wouldn't be here, if this were eternally true__so something is containing the finite universal volume we thus far scientifically know__What...? Imo, there's no possible mechanics except the decaying wave frequencies over time to a lower total universal wave frequency of super-symmetry, which necessarily requires the self-recycling circuitry of hydrodynamics, exactly as it works in Lene Hau's light stopping experiment, except with the state changing mechanics being more a uni-directional motion necessity, back toward a finite center... We know that if enough stars, black-holes and entire galaxies, over enough self-recycles, within the galaxy cluster areas, lose enough mass through continual radiation, eventually toward infinity, no matter what initial decay direction, that any finite universal mass would logically, given enough time, be absolutely required to dissipate to zero mass__but this evidently hasn't happened__so, the only logic possible is a containment system, or event horizon__as per what you mentioned about the entire universal photon being one gigantic exploding Big-bang... There may be theoretical possibility there, but decay is a process of mass dissipating to its thinest density state, which would be its lowest frequency state, due to the finite wave volume increasing, thus reducing/losing frequency charge__the opposite of that required for an entire Universal BB, imo...

Let me just jot down the decay path over the 10^137 Hawking years, as I see it, from now: Stars burn out and decay, they already are " black holes decay, they already are " galaxies decay, they already are " as stars burn out, frequencies are reduced, due to no more star frequencies, especially the highest super-nova gamma blasts " Black holes massive frequency blasts from jets are reduced, thus contributing less Vr to the long term decay, many years out " entire galaxy frequencies are eventually reduced, contributing even less Vr to the decay mechanics " I think you can see where this ends up__a lot less Vr and a lot more Vu, at the outer limits of the decay cycle, thus absolutely necessarily and logically producing a higher proportion of wave symmetry, then wave super-symmetry__thus the self-circuitry mechanics of its necessary hydrodynamics, as wave super-symmetry is hydrodynamic, and extremely so at nearest zero k, which super-symmetry of wave frequencies demands, by all the known laws of physics. Of course, in the beginning of the entire finite decay process, Vr will be increasing tremendously, and imo, is what contributes to the universal expansion, as in the present state, many of the decay matter-waves are heading back toward the center, just as many are heading toward " ∞...

If you follow all this, I really and truly see no way for the logical and fully scientific mechanics to be any other way__imo, c demands it so... All mechanical problems are solved by a self-creating decay boundary system of natural hydrodynamic super-symmetry... At decay recycle limit, the pressure created would be enough to create all the motions necessary to keep the em-field eternally excited...

Best I could muster, after a long day,
See what ya think,
Lloyd

[analog]

Good morning Lloyd,

First let me address the value of c. As you know it is a linear velocity measure of light. Therefore, it's simple logic to consider that if we have made the linear velocity of the photon to uniformly vary from a lower limit to an upper limit throughout it's cycle relative to expansion and contraction i.e. wave to particle, which establishes the frequency/wavelength by which we identify the EM radiation, then this process takes place many times per a relatively large unit of distance by which we measure c depending on the frequency of the photon. Thus, to recieve an average value of c, the photon would have had to have fluctuated on both sides of this value throughout each cycle.

More later.

Tim

[analog]

I understand your argument, but please consider that we can't build a uniform linear c model upon the mechanics of a linear velocity varying photon model. It is the fact that we must conserve what ever velocity we consider to be absolute from linear Vu throught Vr that guarantees the lesser value of c to be an average value between two limits.****

This would be similar to if we had a car with a max speed limit of x and a lower speed limit of y and it uniformly accelerated and decelerated between the two values, then measuring it's linear velocity by using a distance which required many of these cycles would establish an average value of linear velocity in the middle of the two velocity values of x and y. This would be c in this senario.****

The rate of acceleration and deceleration relative to the photon would be proportional to it's energy level established precisely by the quantity of the volume of fundamental substance which made it up, upon it's formation from the interactions of atomic structures and such. This is the direct relationship of frequency, wavelength and amplitude relative to cycling FS volumes from expanded wave state to condensed particle state. ****Simply stated, more or less substance has to be cycled, thus varying the frequency, wavelength and amplitude (degree of expansion) of the whole.****

I think our mechanics are backwards to each other again by the way. I see Vu as building through structured matter currently going back to particle stage of the universal photon (car speeding up). The progression to wave state of the universal photon (car slowing down) would happen when the angular momentum domain was overcome due to the linear velocity of the universal photon being too great to allow for any more angular momentum. The universal photon gained a longer wavelength and lower frequency of it's angular momentum value of one cycle around the universal volume, which further contributes to the volumes total wavelength and frequency of the amount of cycles attainable within a distance value due to collapse/recycle mechanics which establishes c.
It's only unstructured matter/EM field that's still expanding thus decreasing spatial density with the growing lightcone.****

I see the lightcone as being triggered more instantaneously rather than gradually as with a decay process due to the required need for high spatial density to low spatial density which is determined by the quantity of substance released to decay to Vr in an absolute unit of time. A large amount of Vu had to be converted to Vr quickly as with a catastrophic breakdown of containment i.e. angular momentum. When considering this happening within a larger Vr transverse EM cosmic continuum field, the edge of the universal lightcone would be interacting with the Vr transverse waves of the larger field whereby reestablishing angular momentum through the rate of this process thus distorting the Vr transverse field whereby the path of the linear path of the photon is converted to angular momentum at the edge of the universal lightcone due to the photon following the transverse Vr disturbances of the field as shown by the bending of light around massive objects. Photons released are thus conserved to the universal closed system and those which originate inward and propagate outward are merely the dynamics by which angular momentum is attained and strengthens at the edge of the light cone, whereby the lightcone is now found to have a lesser outward/expansion velocity than that of the linear velocity of the photon else the photon wouldn't catch it and angular momentum couldn't be established and increased at the outer edges of the universal volumes interaction with the larger Vr field. This conserves everything in a recycle mechanics also and gives a mechanism to how angular momentum is established. The lightcone is slower than light due to redirection of the universal FS interactions by way of the Vr field.****

Something to consider, and please take your time to do so, as I feel this is an important aspect.****

Later,

Tim

P.S. No time to proof read and I'm copying and pasteing so some weird characters may show up. Don't know why my phone does this but pay no mind to such.****

[analog]

Lloyd,

Please see this less as an argument from me, and more as an invitation for you and Dave to see within the mechanics I'm suggesting, whereby finding any contridictions I might be overlooking, which is basically what you've been doing for me thus far, which I appreciate.

Thanks,

Tim