Philosophysics of a fundamental substance

[analog]

I'm suggesting that the lightcone of any expanding volume is the angular momentum domain of that volume required for recycle mechanics and conservation of mass within the volume established by the interaction of field to structured matter, whereby allowing for the consistency of the background radiation of the BB/collapse event due to reflection back inward of EM waves, which solves the cosmological problems of homogeneity and isotropy which otherwise would indicate an inflationary model, which I reject. Thus the lightcone expansion rate is controlled by the linear conservation of c/absolute velocity.

I think Dave saw the need for this as he suggested an outer domain of the universal volume required for such to me once. He just doesn't recognize the exterior field which would allow for the mechanics of such within his model, which when applied sets up the full recycle mass conservation mechanics. Thus, we're still at our acknowledgement of internal mass being reciprocal to internal unstructured field or Va=Vu+Vr conservation of the universal volume. Thus, photon volumes also have an outter domain of angular momentum representing their relative scale lightcone, which allows the continued implication of recursive mechanics.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Tim, we're still really saying very close to the same thing, about the total Va = Vu + Vr mechanics, being a ratio system of transductions between the two, but c is always traveling within other c, ie, all Vu + Vr are interacting within each other, whether structured matter or unstructured field__and here's where I see the absolute constancy of total Va__where the changing wave lengths, amplitudes and frequencies are a product of Vr and Vu unstructured fields colliding with Vr + Vu unstructured fields. It's imo, the group velocities of all Vu's + Vr's within the entire universal volume colliding, that forms and or maintains the total em-mechanics of amplitude, frequency and wave lengths, according to the angles of all the Vr + Vu collisions__and collisions only change drastically into Vu angular masses, when the opposing chiral wave interferences cause enough entanglement to form these masses of structured matter...

Imo, c limits c " ∞ of all field actions, inside the finite observational light cone, and the external, at limit of decay and beyond, infinite field__and this is what conserves the conservation and equivalency laws... Imo, it's always an incoming super-symmetric hydrodynamic infinite field, enclosing an outgoing finite light cone, all the way to decayed dark unstructured matter field__where eventually, the massive external incoming field hydrodynamically overcomes the outgoing decaying unstructured field's expansion. No state change, at the limit of expansion can take place until the finite light cone loses enough of its frequency charge, due to being too hot. State change of this massive scale only takes place at the lowest entropy state of unstructured field decay, of the present wave lengths, amplitudes and frequencies, where they can turn most super-symmetric, or unite as same frequency and amplitude wave lengths, if you like, imo...

In my model also, due to the 10^137 Hawking years decay guesstimate, would mean the returning re-formation re-cycle would take the same amount of years to reform finite mass objects into black-holes, stars and galaxy systems, etc... My model is no speed demon, and this allows the time/distance for all the entire universal volumes to operate through the 9 chiral degrees of freedom, mentioned in the motion post of said, to reconstitude all the angular momentums, higher Vr states, and the Vu states of condensations into new structured matter__or the BH's, stars and galaxies, as mentioned...

Also realize, Vr never completely dissipates at any time during the entire recycle__it just loses charge strength(lower amplitude and frequency, with longer wave lengths) over the entire decay side of the cycle__which implies low entropy__not high entropy as many figure, although there's a definition problem involved here, to the fact that some physicists would see this as a highest disordered state of high entropy, when looking at order, as the universe could be interpreted to be at its lowest state of order__but to me the lowest state of order, and highest state of entropy is a black-hole gobbling and spewing entire galaxies__but much of this is a mere matter of linguistic interpretations__and changes nothing of the actual universe's physical mechanics...

Let me show you an absolute equivalency analogy of c... No matter whether your height happens to be 6ft., 6 miles, or 6 mm__you will always experience the same exact universe, due the the absolutivity of c unto itself__as all measurement and structured matter would proportionally change with the c to c ratio system of absolute c... This is why variable velocities of actual light speeds are a moot point to all discussions__The total universal Vu + Vr must always = Va__no matter what group velocities of c actually mechanically do...

As any c wave travels though any c field, or any c field travels through any c waves or fields__the group interactions are what is creating all the mechanics of wave length changes, amplitude changes and frequency changes__eternally to infinity... This is an entire hydrodynamic mechanical process, that acts like a diesel engine in black-holes and stars__due to the frictions caused by all wave and field interferences, entanglements, inter-actions, condensations or whatever one may wish to call it... Imo, simple photonic friction causes the prime em-charge, through its extended amplitude field mechanics...

Hope that doesn't throw you off too far, with your ideas, but I do see us saying the same thing, yet maybe interpreting the same mechanics a bit differently... The linguistics of the entire system is an immense thing to conquor...

Best,
Lloyd

P.s.
You may be right as to the entire finite light cone volume having a massive angular momentum, within the entire infinite universal volume__since that makes perfect sense, and I once entertained that same idea__but I can't quite know that... If you have a better analogy, with you falling model, of this entire mechanical dynamics, maybe you could expand on it... Please do...

On second thought, this is an apt analogy:

Thus, we're still at our acknowledgement of internal mass being reciprocal to internal unstructured field or Va=Vu+Vr conservation of the universal volume. Thus, photon volumes also have an outter domain of angular momentum representing their relative scale lightcone, which allows the continued implication of recursive mechanics.

[analog]

The key point is the stage at which angular momentum further converts to linear motion of the whole near c which would logically takes place prior to the high density Vr transverse motions of the autonomous volume doing so, whereby an event of released high density Vr resets the cycle. It's a catastrophic release of near structured Vr.

[analog]

Thanks for the clarification Lloyd. I see where we may be hitting on the same concept with slightly different terminologies. Let me consider this more, and I'll try to represent my ideas under these new mechanics soon in the context of one complete cycle. I think we can hit a home run here too with a little work. Our progress is exceptionally good considering the vast scales at which we are speaking.

Later

Tim

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The key point is the stage at which angular momentum further converts to linear motion of the whole near c which would logically takes place prior to the high density Vr transverse motions of the autonomous volume doing so, whereby an event of released high density Vr resets the cycle. It's a catastrophic release of near structured Vr.

Tim, I think that here you are forgetting, the external infinite volume must be more dense, at the recycle state change level__This is what would make the entire finite mechanics possible, by setting up such a state change of volume densities, where a state of super-symmetric wave frequencies is attained, between the two universal volumes__Internal finite vs. external infinite. Yes, you will eventually have a catastrophic release, but imo, this is going to take the Hawking inverse-decay time distance of 10^137 years__back toward its entire universal volume center. Imo, there's just not enough density to have a catastrophic release, until the entire universal motion systems rebuild such density__It can't happen all at once, due to the c limit. Just imagine how large the finite light cone universe is truly going to be at 10^137 years__Massive, almost beyond numbers, and c is limited to c, no matter who's observation frame is used...

Gotta' go to town and register my vehicle,
Later,
Lloyd

[labelwench]

The 'details' of this discussion, I leave to you gentlemen, and others who join in occasionally.

What is of interest to me is observing the means by which you communicate your ideas, and their differences, and also how you integrate these mental explorations with the details of daily life.

Each person must undertake to maintain the integrity of their own biology within whatever system they are found or bound, and this requires a diverse set of interactions at the purely measurable and physical level. At the same time, we may consider that most or all of these individuals are also engaged in contemplative and subjective considerations as relate to their present circumstances and future potentials, which they may/may not wish to share with others of similar interests.

The manner in which individuals process and communicate these sets and subsets of data, which do not always co-relate efficiently, is 'the hook' so to speak, on many of the threads where the content is not of immediate personal priority.

The style employed by the both of you seems to be working for the present dialogue.

Regards,

LW

[analog]

I'll present a full cycle model a bit later, but we are hitting close to the same concept I think. It's just a mass value relationship of structured matter becoming unstable relative to it's medium density of its surrounding unstructured Vr field. A recursive mechanics which accounts for stars going nova and super nova similar to the entire volume having a state change of mass conversion to Vr unstructured field. This relates to our earlier implication of fields building structures to the point of instability. We're just supplying the mechanics for the relationship of that threshold. Stars simply have an outter boundary angular momentum built at the atomic molecular level rather than the absolute field level, which is a product of the absolute field level dynamics though.

[analog]

I think it's called a mutual respect Labelwench. Lol

[labelwench]

I think it's called a mutual respect Labelwench. Lol

Precisely.

Such respect very often gets lost when persons attempt to communicate from different frameworks. Frustration and/or inflexible mindset often results in hostility and the breaking off of an exchange of great potential.

Mutual respect is especially required when polarized positions or entrenched thinking are to be re-visited.

When we 'agree to disagree', we are really only tabling a matter. The motion of everything does not permit rigidness to continue indefinitely.

My thought would be, that when yourself and Lloyd define the TOE, it will only be the threshold of a new journey of exploration, for I perceive no end of our potential for understanding, and that each door of discovery shall ever lead to another.

This is in no means meant to discourage yourself or anyone, for it is ever exciting to go beyond where others have ventured, be it in physical space or the journey within one's minds' eye.

[analog]

Hi labelwench,

The key to respect when working with such complex subject matter as the workings of the universe is to first find the similarities in another persons views and build from that point with each pointing out the pieces to which they see contradiction or collapse of the system. The universal system can only function in one specific arrangement of the relationship to all currently acknowledged science such as the concept of forces, thermodynimcs and other concepts of energy and processes. Any model which steps outside of this absolute arrangement will collapse under the required relationship of those same concepts, which will cause a contradiction at some level if followed through properly. This is the overall absolute logic to the universe, IMHO, and is one of the foundations from which I further derive my interpretations and ideas. The failure of most around here is that they begin by searching for the differences between their views, which can only be done after the proper begining of knowing how each are the same, whereby establishing the foundations for proper communication and exchange of ideas. In short, you have to get on the same wavelength as the old saying goes. It also helps when you have the respect for each other to give benifit of the doubt that what the other is offering has value. If after relating as much as I can to the far off ideas of another, and I see little relation to my views and no value, then I don't waste much time recreating a wheel that not only has to role in the first place, but can only role one way. I don't have this problem with Lloyd, Dave, Greg and some others, so I always consider their ideas to have value which I need to extract to further my own ideas. Lloyd and I are so close to acknowledging the same wheel that I must use extra caution before disregarding any of his thoughts as more than not, they always further my own.

Later,

Tim

P.S. The logic I speak of is the foundation for absolute logic, Imo. Thus, all further relative logic must be ultimately recursive to such in some form
or fashion if it is to have any absolute truth.