Philosophysics of a fundamental substance

[analog]

ONE FULL CYCLE OF THE UNIVERSAL SYSTEM FROM WAVE TO PARTICLE TO WAVE
　
　
Ok, I’m off work today, have my alcoholic beverage of choice and will now clear my thoughts and attempt to give the most detailed cycle model which I can extract from my mind.
　
Its not enough to imply absolute motion and fundamental substance to explain the diversity of structure and field in which we find ourselves a part of a universal system, as all motion will become static to form if not explained through a fully perpetual recycle model, whereby any less than such will only explain a one shot system with beginning and end, with no way to maintain eternal and infinite status along with the recursive infinitesimal interactions which accomplish such of which we see all around us. Absolute motion is only one aspect of fully solving the puzzle, it’s the interactions of the FS with itself which allow for the mechanics to maintain existence throughout infinity for eternity while avoiding eternal equalization or entropy death of a model.
　
First, its important to acknowledge the distinction of the interactions of the fundamental substance with itself. Vr or the random motion component of the FS can be understood to transfer motion when an unstructured volume is in such a state, whereby acting as a transverse wave moving within FS. Vu or the uniform motion component of the FS can be understood to be transferred due to the Vr motions of the unstructured field of FS when a volume is in a structured state. Structured volumes are all composed of angular momentum whereby allowing the separation to autonomous status of the volume, which in effect places its linear motion degree at the mercy of the Vr unstructured field which contains it. We’ll have to further define the mechanics of linear motion and angular momentum though, as they are an important aspect to the system.
　
Va=Vu+Vr or absolute motion=uniform motion + random motion of an autonomous closed volume. The universal volume is a closed system, thus its Va=the reciprocal distribution of Vu to Vr as established by the conservation of c. The rate of angular momentum is reciprocal to the rate of uniform linear motion relative to c, thus the strength to maintain structured autonomous status from the larger Vr unstructured field decreases as a volume accelerates to near c due to the conservation of c velocity from angular momentum to linear velocity. This is critical to the recycle process as will be further shown. The mass of a closed Va autonomous system is equal to 1, with the reciprocal distribution of Vu to Vr summing to the absolute mass value of 1 relative to the closed autonomous volume. Closed autonomous volumes can be found to have greater and lesser mass values relative to each other, thus containing more/less FS thus also motion, as they are always found to merely be the Va distribution of a larger system thus their value would be a portion of the reciprocal sum of all motion distribution within a closed system of Va=Vu+Vr. Simply stated, mass can be summed to 1 relative to all the internal interactions within a closed system as the Vu value of the system is always the potential energy state to the kinetic conservation to Vr, and the Vr value of the system is always the potential energy state to the kinetic conservation to Vu, but the total mass of a closed system is only a portion of the mass value of the larger system which contains it. When factoring the total mass value of the Vu motions of all structured matter within a closed system the missing mass value of the Va mass value of one will be found within the Vr motions of all unstructured matter within the system.
　
Now we’re ready to get into the universal system. Let us first acknowledge a larger cosmic unstructured Vr field of transverse motion within which the universal volume is a closed autonomous system with no net loss or gain of the quantity of FS thus also Va as it propagates through the system through its expansion/contraction mechanics of perpetual cyclical motion the same perpetual motion we find within the mechanics of light itself. The ability to remain closed and autonomous while being part of a larger Vr field is an important aspect to the recycle mechanics. There’s only conservation of Va from Vu to Vr within the closed universal system. All transverse motion of all Vr fields can be seen as gravitational waves interacting between massive structured matter. EM radiation, or all photons, are also closed autonomous systems as the next stage inward of the full system mechanics of the conservation of Va=Vu+Vr. The photon is a recycling system of structured to unstructured state (as is the universal system) whereby by my definition, its linear motion through the transverse Vr field of the universe is established by the interactions of the field determining its path along with its velocity relative to the transverse gravitational waves interactions upon the structured Vu stage of the photon causing its acceleration towards the c velocity of the wave which carries it, to the point that the angular momentum of the outer domain of the photon collapses which releases all internal Vu motion to high density decay to Vr transverse wave motion outward towards the incoming lower frequency longer wavelength waves of the universal system which had been causing such acceleration towards c as the photon drops to a lower limit of linear propagation relative to c. The interaction domain of this expansion process sets up a domain of interference whose importance we must acknowledge by going back to the greater universal system.

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[analog]

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During the angular momentum collapse of the outer domain of the universal system (start of the cycle) as it was accelerated by the Vr transverse gravitational waves of the larger cosmic field, there was only one structured universal system of angular momentum (no atomic matter, galaxies and planets at this stage) with all of the internal Vr transverse motions of the volume having an increased density to near full Vu linear with all internal vibrations having a long wavelength and low frequency. When the angular momentums frequency fell to a critical lower limit below the internal frequency of the internal condensate due to the conservation of c from angular to linear motion by way of the gravitational wave, the volume ruptured releasing all potential Vu mass of the condensate into high density decay towards kinetic Vr transverse motion which now established a domain of interference with the incoming lower frequency gravitational waves of the cosmic Vr unstructured field. Radiant energy in the form of photonic systems were also structured and released through the initial high density interactions within the universal volume, which propagate in varying directions many moving outward at a greater velocity than the expanding angular momentum lightcone which conserves the internal volume of substance from loss or gain of substance with the external cosmic field (closed system). We can imply this due to photons never losing volume/mass to the universal unstructured field through which they propagate unless being absorbed by atomic structures or having QED type interactions. The lightcone is moving outward at a lesser velocity than the photons linear propagation due to the domain of interference at the point of interaction where the transverse waves of the cosmos meet the higher frequency gravitational waves of the universe. This means that due to the photons path being determined by the gravitational waves as seen with the bending of light around massive stars, all internal photons constructively add to the outer domain of angular momentum, this is how angular momentum builds which causes the universal volume to once again be picked up by the gravitational waves of the cosmic unstructured field which begins the volumes acceleration process towards c, which sets the internal interactions within the universal volume back to a state of conservation of Vr being the potential energy state to the structuring of the kinetic formation to Vu. Atomic structures with the same interaction process as the universal system while in its expanding phase formed during the early high spatial density phase of the catastrophic release which were due to the constructive interference within domains creating higher frequency regions of transverse waves interacting with the lower frequency regions of the surrounding area which collect photons from the external universal system to increase angular momentum of the structures outer domain the same as the external angular momentum universal field operates. Within this interaction aspect we find the frequency dependency (energy level) of the photon relative to the frequency of the angular momentum of the atomic structure which dictates absorption or reflection of the photon per QM. The outer universal angular momentum domain also has an absorption reflection threshold which redirects much of the background radiation from the begging of the cycle back inwards whereby we find the mechanics for the cosmological observations of homogeneity and isotropy, which has led to unfounded concepts of inflationary models.

The atom is a recursive structure of an angular momentum domain containing structured matter, the same as our current universe. The electrons are merely our acknowledgment of such a field of angular momentum, while the proton and neutron are the condensed structured state relative to the atoms Vu to Vr ratio. All further EM radiation by way of photon systems as the universal expansion continues is the transference of volume of substance between the angular momentum domain of structured matter/atomic structures with the outer universal domain of angular momentum. This is the mechanism by which the internal universal Vu to Vr ratio changes over time as all EM radiation by way of photons recursively duplicates the universal cycle process as it rides upon gravitational waves and accelerates to near c to the point that its angular momentum domain is ruptured due to its linear velocity per conservation of c, which causes the overall universal cycle process to take place internally within the photonic volume, as it duplicates its own scaled down version of gravity, EM radiation, weak and strong nuclear forces, along with all other process within our visible universe.

As the universal volume rides along its cosmic gravitational wave increasing its linear velocity through the cosmos, the internal EM interactions between all internal structured matter and the outer universal light cone domain of angular momentum (as the photons catch a ride along the transverse gravitational waves radiating from massive bodies while they cycle through their motions of wave/particle duality or electric field creating a magnetic field creating an electric field, etc. etc) interconnect and oversee a proper ratio of Vu to Vr is maintained per acceleration of the universal volume towards linear c. Our witness of any and all EM radiation is our witness of the mechanics of universal conservation of Vu to Vr as the increased linear acceleration due to the cosmic gravitational wave furthers the cycle back towards the condensed Vu state as structured matter recycle unstructured matter and translate their required separation per their mass value by way of their mass value determining their degree of interaction with the transverse gravitational waves radiating from the greater massive bodies which they orbit. The same as gravitational waves cycle photons, they also establish the mechanics acknowledged by General Relativity, whereby cycling higher level arrangements of atomic structures (i.e. planets around stars around black holes) through their rotation upon their axis and linear velocity through their orbit.

The whole process continues to the point of condensation whereby all internal structure is converged and broken down to one Vu+Vr system of angular momentum with a contained internal condensate of transverse waves with a wavelength and frequency near linear c, whereby when the frequency threshold of the angular momentum reaches its lower limit, the internal volume goes through a catastrophic release going back to higher frequency shorter wavelength Vr transverse waves creating a domain of interference with the incoming cosmic gravitational waves whereby angular momentum once again builds furthering linear acceleration upon the next gravitational wave and the cycle begins again. EM radiation is our detection of gravitational waves, as they are required for the cycling of the photon through structured and unstructured phases which establish electromagnetism. The quantity of substance being transferred by the photon system establishes the frequency thus also wavelength by which it can go through its cycle due to its imposed linear motion by transverse gravitational waves, which establishes the type of EM radiation being observed.

Now we have looked within the lightcone of the photon to the infinitesimal interactions at the smallest micro scale and looked outside the lightcone of the universal volume to the infinite interactions at the largest macro scale by aid of the recursive nature of the process allowing for the application of such to reveal the super symmetry of existence defining its own existence, which is the only way possible for us to acknowledge anything beyond what we can observe and measure by way of our science. The fact that we can find every aspect of different temporal phases of this overall process currently being spatially maintained through time for us to observe the whole process of infinite and infinitesimal interactions at one moment of eternity, as with; stars going supernova being a higher structural thus lower velocity (far less than c) version of collapse of angular momentum releasing high density atomic structural condensate throughout the galaxy which find their way to a higher structural level through the same process within a more massive star; photons recursively mimicking the overall universal process, fluctuating between Vr and Vu status proportionally adding and subtracting from the mass value of the universal volume, with internal mass of an autonomous system always summing to 1, but external mass being a product of the Vu+Vr of the larger system within which the structure resides, the same as we reset the internal mass of the photon to 1 allowing its potential and kinetic interactions to be relative to themselves, but finding its external mass value to be miniscule relative to its ability to add to the structured Vu mass value of the universal system; and with atoms replicating the mid-cycle phase of the universal system, whereby they are a Vu+Vr system but unlike the photon and universal system their angular momentum value establishes them as an externally open system relative to an increase and decrease in their quantity of FS with the absorption and emission of photons as the Vu+Vr value of the universal system is mechanically maintained per its linear velocity relative to c.

Regards to all,

Tim

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Tim, your long reply makes my head spin, especially after talking to three of my acquaintances in person today. Just got home about 11 o-clock...

Anyway, just one question first, before I tackle answering the points you've covered... Iyo, where does the source of the universal motion, that keeps the entire universal perpetual system mechanics in motion, physically come from...? What is the prime mover/motion cause...? You may have stated it above, and I may have missed it, so just give me you simplest answer, or point me to where your two posts answered this, if you did... Are you saying the same thing I am about super-symmetry of the (infinite angular momentum field and gravity)(being your twist on my hydrodynamics, maybe?) is causing the entire prime mover of the Universal system? That seems to be part of my interpretation of what you've stated, but I'm not sure...? I may be just dense, after a full day of communicating, not sure...?

Simple summary needed,
Lloyd

[analog]

Hi Lloyd,

From my current views, any autonomous closed system will always have a minimal mass value or lower mass limit, whereby it will always interact with the gravitational waves of the larger system of which its a portion of its total mass value of conserved Vr to Vu. Gravitational waves are the key to accelerating a closed system along with supplying the mechanism for planetary orbits around the sun and its orbit around a black hole per their greater mass value than the photons ultra high velocity. The photon is a closed system of such small quantity of FS that it is acclerated through its cycles at a higher frequency than a planet will orbit the sun due to the planets construction of many atomic structures. Thus, my best interpretation is that our universal system is a part of a larger gravitational cosmic unstructured field, else we would not have the acceleration aspect to c needed to cycle, and our universal cycle is of a much lower frequency than the lower quantity photon cycle proportional to the difference in the quantity of FS within each system. I hate to speculate into the cosmic realm, but this view is as with aligning two mirrors whereby the image is seen to be looking into infinity. I can't currently distinguish at what lower scale this interaction would stop as with photons containing their own photons on the micro end, or with our universe being a cosmic photon on its way to the outer angular momentum domain of the cosmos or perhaps on its way to being absorbed by a cosmic atomic structure. All I see is infinite and infintesimal interactions throughout eternity. We may be a virtual photon due to the interactions of the cosmic field? Either way, I see the larger field as being required and this would be the infinite image model whereby an event horizon of interactions is at the largest macro scale and the smallest micro scale. A further mechanism would need to be implied to set limits at how far outward or inward such interactions can be accomplished, which I will have to give some thought to. This is merely an infinite model thus far, and all I can say is that the interactions of photons with their need of universal gravitational waves implies a higher cosmic Vr transverse unstructured field. Other than that, the interactions of the universal volume with the external gravitational waves which accelerate it to c causing a deterioration of the outer angular momentum boundary when near c with an inner highly dense condensate volume more near linear c than the angular momentum boundary at the end of a cycle is the prime mover relative to our universe as the catastrophic release of such causes the volume to lose its ability to be carried by the wave whereby recycling the angular momentum due to interference of the expansion process being once again caught up by another wave resetting the entire process, allowing it to cycle through its phases as does the photons we witness within our universe.

Does that help? If this made your head spin, then I have little chance of anyone else getting it I'm affraid. lol. If it helps, it did give me a headache writing it....lmao.

later,

Tim

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The only problem Tim, is I see no fundamental prime mover mechanics for the entire gravity/perpetual motion system... That's still what I'm looking for in your posts, just as it always was with Dave's__Imo, it's the missing key piece of fundamental evidence needed to make the Universe function... I just don't see what, if anything, your posts are pointing to as the absolute prime mover mechanics, without being a circular logic__so far... I'm really trying, but I just don't see it...

Not trying to get you down, because the inter-relations of the mechanics you offer may all be part of the real workings of the real Universe, but it just still lacks that all important fundamental prime mover, imo, and I don't think Universal Quantification can function without it__the logic just isn't complete without a clear path to the prime mover, imo...

So, maybe another try,
Lloyd

P.s.
Imo, one can't keep looking deeper within oneself, or the Universe's smallest particles, to find the answers, as I've noticed all philosophy has made that age-old mistake for millennia. I think the only way to understand the micro of the macro, or the macro of the micro, is to find the answers in the macro__as the macro existed first, as the eternal exist, but we still have to know the prime mover mechanics, to have full logical quantification, and full truth validity__at least imo... So, there's still a lot of work to do, for minds to meet all minds, if ya know what I mean...

Hi Lloyd,

From my current views, any autonomous closed system will always have a minimal mass value or lower mass limit, whereby it will always interact with the gravitational waves of the larger system of which its a portion of its total mass value of conserved Vr to Vu. Gravitational waves are the key to accelerating a closed system along with supplying the mechanism for planetary orbits around the sun and its orbit around a black hole per their greater mass value than the photons ultra high velocity. The photon is a closed system of such small quantity of FS that it is acclerated through its cycles at a higher frequency than a planet will orbit the sun due to its construction of many atomic structures. Thus, my best interpretation is that our system is a part of a larger gravitational cosmic field, else we would not have the acceleration aspect to c needed to cycle, and our cycle is of a much lower frequency than the lower quantity photon proportional to the difference in the quantity of FS within each system. I hate to speculate into the cosmic realm, but this view is as with aligning two mirrors whereby the image is seen to be looking into infinity. I can't currently distinguish at what lower scale this interaction would stop as with photons containing their own photons on the micro end, or with our universe being a cosmic photon on its way to the outer angular momentum domain of the cosmos or perhaps on its way to being absorbed by a cosmic atomic structure. All I see is infinite and infintesimal interactions throughout eternity. We may be a virtual photon due to the interactions of the cosmic field? Either way, I see the larger field as being required and this would be the infinite image model whereby an event horizon of interactions is at the largest macro scale and the smallest micro scale. A further mechanism would need to be implied to set limits at how far outward or inward such interactions can be accomplished, which I will have to give some thought to. This is merely an infinite model thus far, and all I can say is that the interactions of photons with their need of universal gravitational waves implies a higher cosmic Vr transverse unstructured field. Other than that, the interactions of the universal volume with the external gravitational waves which accelerate it to c causing a deterioration of the outer angular momentum boundary when near c with an inner highly dense condensate volume more near linear c than the angular momentum boundary at the end of a cycle is the prime mover relative to our universe as the catastrophic release of such causes the volume to lose its ability to be carried by the wave whereby recycling the angular momentum due to interference of the expansion process being once again caught up by another wave resetting the entire process, allowing it to cycle through its phases as does the photons we witness within our universe.

Does that help? If this made your head spin, then I have little chance of anyone else getting it I'm affraid. lol. If it helps, it did give me a headache writing it....lmao.

later,

Tim

[analog]

Lloyd,

I see your logic as I always have in that which you state, and I agree that systems depending on ever larger systems is a regress to infinity of logic, but to make my model have an independent prime mover with no need of the gravitational waves provided by the larger cosmic field would be to supply a mechanism to stop the recursive process below the photons interactions and above the universal interactions, whereby the universal volume didn't depend upon the same mechanics as the photon. We would have to make the universal system cycle under a different mechanics than the photon, whereby no longer mirroring infinity throughout. Just my thoughts.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Tim, try this model: A Complete Blank Slate of Pure Universal Fields...

Let's start out with our necessarily known FS and a total Universal Field Mass value of 1...

We also know the finite light cone field is necessarily real...

Our logic also necessarily tells us, there's a FS Field beyond this light cone field, conjectured to be real__called infinity...

Such logic, allowing the conjecture, for pure yet necessary theory, shows the Universe to be a two field system...

The primary Universal FS-EM-Field is the infinite conjectured field, logically necessary to bound the finite field light cone mechanics, or the finite field mass would fly off into infinity never to return, i.e., no Universe Possible...

The difference between these two fields, one absolutely known finite field, and one conjectured infinite field__is the fact that the primary infinite field would have all low Vr waves traveling at scalar Vu c, in all inward directions__whereas, the finite field consists of both high Vr and low Vr, traveling in every scalar Vu c linear direction possible, yet overwhelmingly outward toward and into the infinite low Vr field...

Imo, it's the natural super-symmetry of the infinite low Vr c Vu field, that's always hydrodynamic toward its center, that is the perpetual motion mechanics prime mover...

If we were to conjecture a false and probably never existing state of first cause, the above is the only necessary prime mover mechanics of perpetual motion, my mind has ever come up with...

You're probably not aware of this, living in the South, but up here in the North Country, the old timers used to make Apple Jack... They'd take aged apple-cider in a pale, and set it outdoor at 40 degrees below zero to freeze solid__The hydrodynamic mechanics of the process forced the alcahol to the center of the bucket/pale, where it didn't freeze. Though the pale of cider would be one solid chunck of ice, mostly water, the center would then be drilled into, to let the Apple Jack out__and the party could begin. I see the Universe working on this exact same principle, though to make all the physicists happy, the thermodynamics must be represented as wave super-symmetry, which is actually the mechanics of creating the hydrodynamic fluid mechanics mentioned, in both the Apple-Jack process, and the Universe's Prime Mover Perpetual motion...

Now, as the finite field and all its structured matter and mass loses structure to decay, stars burn out, galaxies burn out and decay, black holes dissipate, etc., etc., on and on__the final result is to, by scalar expansion of the light cone, lose its highest Vr intensities of decaying charge/force Vr frequencies, reducing all High Vr, over cosmic time, to low Vr, within the finite light cone, to more closely match the Low Vr frequencies of the initial and most fundamental infinite field__thus setting up the extremely rare cosmic quantum state change re-cycle point of all finite and infinite wave motions__a special case event of cosmic time, distance and motion... Keep in mind, this is purely conjecture, as we can't do any math beyond the finite light cone, but out necessary logic tells us there absolutely has to be a mechanics of motion, somewhere in the total imagined system__and my logic can imagine no other. And further to me, it seems possibley true, as it's the only mechanical system I've ever seen put forward, that even comes close to answering the Prime Mover Question... Imo, the mechanics is sound within the possibilities of fluid mechanics, wave mechanics and all of the laws of physics...

To me, it just comes down to the hydrodynamic super-symmetry of total motion dynamics of two wave fields inter-actions being the prime mover...

All the above is most identical to the Lene Hau experiment of stopping light, and the hydrodynamics of her experiment forcing all Vr + Vu linear motion into the Bose-Einstein condensate of Vu spin, then restarting the light back to Vu + Vr linear, with the assist of a certain frequency boost from another laser light beam... Why everybody wants to ignore quantum hydrodynamics, the central fluid dynamics of all quantum wave motions, when even all our military physicists, mathematicians and other bomb-making scientists at Los Alamos, in the `40's used it, to figure out their mechanical dynamics__is beyond me... It's simple__It works...

That's all I can tell ya Tim,
I think it's necessary to complete the quantum logic,
Lloyd

P.s.
Imo, an infinite nearest absolute zero k , nearest super-symmetry cold field, must bound, hydrodynamically motionize and cause the hot field's total perpetual motion mechanics...

[analog]

Hi Lloyd,

I see your implications here and understand your cycle as it is in reverse to mine in a sense. We are both acknowledging an external infinite field beyond the universal light cone. I called it a cosmic field of Vr transverse gravitational waves in my last two posts, same thing though. At this stage you are using it to produce inward motion whereby I am using it to produce linear motion for the recycle process as the system builds towards linear c and condenses proportionally, whereby upon catastrophic release of the condensate due to conservation of c from angular momentum to linear motion, the system has a lower limit linear motion value of c as the wave it was riding on continues its path at c and goes on by. At this point, the system isn't in motion sync with one wave and is sitting near motionless whereby the infinite cosmic fields interaction dynamic is now different as the finite systems expanding volume of Vu to Vr transverse waves have a domain of interference with the infinite cosmic system similar to your model now with the inifinite field providing the inward interference aspect to build angular momentum at the edge of the slower than light expanding light cone of angular momentum by way of its absorption of quantities of FS transfered as photons upon the universal finite fields transverese gravitational waves of its internal interactions through conservation. At this point the mass value of the universal system begins to build again through the conservation of Vr back towards Vu whereby the volume increases its interaction ability with the gravitational waves of the infinite cosmic field, whereby the fields dynamic on the volume begins to change from less of an inward aspect to more of a linear aspect due to the universal volume riding upon a transverse wave which accelerates it to near c thus cycling the system again. The rate at which the universe cycles is proportional to the rate at which a photon cycles per its frequency and wavelength as being relative to the quantity of FS within each system.

We know that photons have linear motion through the universal "finite" field, which I theorize to be due to the gravitational waves of the falling massive bodies through the finite field. Photons to me are the communication systems of conservation beween all forms of motion over such vast distances within a system of Vu+Vr. They're the go between system transfering actual quantities of FS between atomic structures and the outer domain light cone of angular momentum, contributing and deducting from the angular momentum value of each as they are absorbed and emited. In my views, all mass systems have no linear motion through the finitie universal field under their own mechanics but are subject to the gravitational transverse waves created by all other massive objects falling through the finite universal field. Thus, the total mass value of a system relative to the universal volume or quantity of FS within the system determines the ability for a system to interact with the transverse waves of all other systems. It's the interconnectedness of conservation of motion if you look closely enough, IMO. It also maintains the implications of Lorentz contraction of a system per its linear motion value and similar implications of Relativity as with the interaction with "space and time" per mass value or quantity of substance relative to the larger system.

If your model operates as you say, then how does your photons operate if they are considered as a recursive system? How does their linear motion relate to the process you're explaining? This is what I was referring to as a break in the recursive symmetry whereby having one set of mechanics for the universal volumes cycles, but another for the inner photonic systems.

later,

Tim

[analog]

Here's another perspective perhaps....Consider what dynamics your infinite field would have on your universal finite volume if it were to be found with varying degrees of linear motion velocity through the infinite field. This is the same as considering the dynamics of the Vr transverse universal field upon the structured system of the photon as it varies its linear velocity relative to c throughout its cycle. Near c velocity would mean that the photon was in sync with the gravitational transverse waves of the massive bodies motions through the unstructured field which establish solar and planetary orbits, etc., thus relative time would appear to have stopped for the photon per Relativity at the high velocity end of its cycle (contracted volume) due to all information of change being relayed by the transverse waves traveling at c due to structured mass moving through unstructured field. At the lower velocity end of its cycle (expanded volume) it would experience the interference of many gravitational waves and such rather than being transfered by just one as when near c velocity. The photon actually cycles through the field experiencing its dynamic interactions all the way from near c velocity to the lower limit velocities found within atomic structures and such. It witnesses the field through all stages of acceleration to c rather than just that implied by relativity as with its implication of relative time standing still, the same as the universal volume experiences the dynamics of the infinite cosmic field per its velocity realitive to c within it.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

First off Tim and imo, it's all one system of FS-EM motion mechanics, and all I'm meaning by recursive is total recycling of all FS Matter, Mass and Energy Motion values, and Vu's varrying ratios of wave motions to Vr's, back and forth over the entire life-cycles of total motion events through time/distance... I see no absolute difference of motion of the entire system at any place in the cycle, as all would always be Va = Vu n Vr, yet varrying the ratios of Vu and Vr over all time, while the entirety of finite and infinite fields' c velocities always remain at linear c, except of course where higher densities turn it angular, and finally to structured Vu spin... The key here is the Vr ratio dissipating over the decay time/distance to become super-symmetric with the incoming infinite Vu linear concave scalar waves of low Vr, upon meeting the outgoing finite Vu linear c convex scalar waves, of first High Vr to low Vr__where the one time event of super-symmetry of low Vr linear c waves only meet this one low Vr recycle moment over the total time/distance cycle, to hydrodynamically reverse the finite Universal flow, whether angular at that moment or more linear, yet both infinite and finite fields having their highest content of Vu motion, with both their lowest Vr motion/charge content__Because hydrodynamics can only overcome the lower charges of Vr content of the finite Vu linear motions of the same FS__due to the fact, that's what we are presently witnessing, with every instrument of mankind... Nothing is overcoming the expansion, yet__the Universe is supposedly still expanding, if the scientists/cosmologists/physicists are reading the data properly...

To me, at the most base theoretical field levels, it's just an entire Universe of photons/bosons all traveling their differing directions and charge ratios all throughout the finite Universe, constantly and eternally meeting the low Vr linear c infinite field, yet the linear c low Vr infinite field can only hydrodynamically overcome the outward hydrodynamic pressures of expanding finity, Vu linear scalar c, high and low Vr frequencies, after the higher charged Vr structured content of the finite field, decay away, or finally dissipate to the low Vr state, which most matches the infinite low Vr state of both fields__thus causing the hydrodynamic reversal, through the wave super-symmetry I've so often mentioned...

I see no problem, with the photon's mechanics working the same, whether a hyper-fine micro structure as a single photon, or an entire Universal Field consisting of eternally existing photons, or the total decayed volume of finity's Vu linear c Vr waves meeting infinity__Yet, you have to keep in mind, this is all pure theoretical conjecture, as none of us can know for positive exactly what happens at these great distances of time, even though our mathematical logic can paint such possible mechanical models... I see no problem with the conservation of all the laws of physics being premised on this hydrodynamic super-symmetric containment__Do you really...?