Philosophysics of a fundamental substance

[PoPpAScience]

WOW!!!! I am in utter shock right now!

We all have to be very careful not to be seduced by our own model's beauty... It's all too easy for that to happen, as I well found out about economic models__years ago...

Even though I know you have the Intellect to move beyond, 'Speed', in your thoughts, I did not think you could overcome your obsession with it Lloyd, to see 'Mass'. Way to go!!

Hopefully now this will lead to you moving beyond your obsession with 'Decay', which IMHO restricts your thoughts.

There are so many posts I wanted to write over the last couple of weeks to Tim, to try and get him to think of 'Mass' first and 'Speed' second. I felt that he was being influenced to much by Dave and your, obsessions with 'Speed'. To my surprise you did it instead Lloyd. Once again, Way to go!!

This is so exciting, finally someone is going to deal with the subject matter I want to deal with, 'Mass'. I look forward to what you are going to write. Thanks Lloyd!!

[PoPpAScience]

Lloyd,

I see you using the word 'dieseling', I am interested why you use it?

[PoPpAScience]

The key to dealing with 'Mass', is if you see the FS as points with solid cores, or if you see 'One' FS without boundary, that is Compressible and thus Attenuated. If you see the latter, as I do, then you must consider the 'Mass' of the 'Attenuated' Aether(FS).

The 'One' FS without Motion is, 'Infinite in Mass', because it has no boundaries created by solid cores.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Lloyd,

I see you using the word 'dieseling', I am interested why you use it?

The reason I'm using 'dieseling' is the fact that when cosmologists and physicists built computer models of atomic actions igniting stars, they couldn't achieve detonation. Finally one of the physicists suggested using a diesel model__and it worked. Since, computer modeling of star combustion has been based on Diesel modeling. Also think about an a-bomb or a h-bomb__You first have to have the hydrodynamic compression to set the bomb in motion, either the cannon charge model for the a-bomb, or the multiple shape charges of the h-bomb, toward its center. If that ain't diesel, I don't know what is, and almost every physicist sense the late 19th century has been ignoring the hydrodynamic dieseling effects of wave collisions__which are actually the total field's most important mechanics. Almost all standard cosmology is measured in fluid hydrodynamics, but as applied to gravity field mechanics... It's been the most successful model, since first used at Los Alamos in the `40's, to build the first a-bombs, in figuring star mechanics with hydrodynamics__so to build models of the exploding mass's destruction areas__so's not to blow up the planet__as that was some of the early fears, by some of those best scientists, at Los Alamos... I've posted the entire Los Alamos paper and the hydrodynamic papers of stars dieseling before, but don't have the link handy, now...

You gotta' have the pressure to explode the bombs__ya gotta' have the pressure in the proton, to explode the radiation__That's hydrodynamic dieseling__whether by spin vortex pressures, or by direct wave pressures and forces... All waves have frontal pressure forces, or the waves wouldn't scalar out as transverse waves, imo... Just watch a sound wave on the sands of the Bonneville Salt Flats, as the race-car goes 500 to 700 mph__em-waves within waves are similar, even in deep space... Huygens showed this centuries ago, and he was one of Einstein's hero's... He taught both Newton and Leibniz much...

It's just simple classical mechanics to me, as I ignore most of the subjective observer relative mechanics__Since the real Universe functions in Real and Absolute Classical Mechanics__It don't give a damn about observer's measurement opinions__even though for our scientists to be accurate, we do have to take in the relative mechanics when operating in multi-state moving space and objects...

It still has no ground effect on absolute mechanics, as pertains to a Universe and its motions and actions only__They are absolutes, to absolutes, even though they be moving...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The key to dealing with 'Mass', is if you see the FS as points with solid cores, or if you see 'One' FS without boundary, that is Compressible and thus Attenuated. If you see the latter, as I do, then you must consider the 'Mass' of the 'Attenuated' Aether(FS).

The 'One' FS without Motion is, 'Infinite in Mass', because it has no boundaries created by solid cores.

attenuation [əˌtɛnjʊˈeɪʃən]
n 1. the act of attenuating or the state of being attenuated
2. (Physics / General Physics) the loss of energy suffered by radiation as it passes through matter, esp as a result of absorption or scattering

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
1. Decrease in intensity of a signal, beam, or wave as a result of absorption of energy and of scattering out of the path of a detector, but not including the reduction due to geometric spreading, i.e., the inverse square of distance effect.
2. In mine warfare, the reduction in intensity of an influence as distance from the source increases.
3. In camouflage and concealment, the process of making an object or surface less conspicuous by reducing its contrast to the surroundings and/or background. Also called tone down.

The main thing we still have to consider Allen, is what infinity may be made up of, and we can only conjecture these points__though my guess is that beyond our present light cone and CMBR, the greater Universe may exist as an extended field, with greatly changed state dynamics, as it would exist with absolutely no heat, or a state at least as possible as it is to achieving absolute zero k, which automatically, by wave dynamics, or thermodynamics, requires it to be hydrodynamic, but only hydrodynamic enough so's not to overcome the present finite states light cone expansion__but when that light cone reaches its most extreme state of heat entropy, the state changing infinite conditions take over to recycle the entire Universe__But realize, this is just my conjecture__I can't be positive... But, our finite decay, that we do know is happening, leads my science theorizing and maths in this greater direction__especially at finite decay limit...

Still, we should never confuse fact with theory...

As we've earlier stated; Planck boundary limits make the impossibility of absolute motion ever stopping__A Fact...

Realize absolute motion to me, only means total motion, and not absolute speed...

We also see absolute solid cores with infinitely extendable fields__as per my formula X/X = 1 + IEE__Interpreted as, any thing divided by itself, which would be to infinity, is still equal to a one self entity, plus all its isomorphic extensions and entanglements, all the way to eternity and infinity...

[PoPpAScience]

attenuation [əˌtɛnjʊˈeɪʃən]
n 1. the act of attenuating or the state of being attenuated
2. (Physics / General Physics) the loss of energy suffered by radiation as it passes through matter, esp as a result of absorption or scattering

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
1. Decrease in intensity of a signal, beam, or wave as a result of absorption of energy and of scattering out of the path of a detector, but not including the reduction due to geometric spreading, i.e., the inverse square of distance effect.
2. In mine warfare, the reduction in intensity of an influence as distance from the source increases.
3. In camouflage and concealment, the process of making an object or surface less conspicuous by reducing its contrast to the surroundings and/or background. Also called tone down.

The main thing we still have to consider Allen, is what infinity may be made up of, and we can only conjecture these points__though my guess is that beyond our present light cone and CMBR, the greater Universe may exist as an extended field, with greatly changed state dynamics, as it would exist with absolutely no heat, or a state at least as possible as it is to achieving absolute zero k, which automatically, by wave dynamics, or thermodynamics, requires it to be hydrodynamic, but only hydrodynamic enough so's not to overcome the present finite states light cone expansion__but when that light cone reaches its most extreme state of heat entropy, the state changing infinite conditions take over to recycle the entire Universe__But realize, this is just my conjecture__I can't be positive... But, our finite decay, that we do know is happening, leads my science theorizing and maths in this greater direction__especially at finite decay limit...

Still, we should never confuse fact with theory...

at·ten·u·ate (-tny-t) v. at·ten·u·at·ed, at·ten·u·at·ing, at·ten·u·ates
v.tr. 1. To make slender, fine, or small: The drought attenuated the river to a narrow channel.
2. To reduce in force, value, amount, or degree; weaken: Medicine attenuated the fever's effect.
3. To lessen the density of; rarefy.
4. Biology To make (bacteria or viruses) less virulent.
5. Electronics To reduce (the amplitude of an electrical signal) with little or no distortion.

v.intr. To become thin, weak, or fine.

adj. (-y-t) 1. Reduced or weakened, as in strength, value, or virulence.
2. Botany Gradually tapering to a slender point.

[PoPpAScience]

The reason I'm using 'dieseling' is the fact that when cosmologists and physicists built computer models of atomic actions igniting stars, they couldn't achieve detonation. Finally one of the physicists suggested using a diesel model__and it worked. Since, computer modeling of star combustion has been based on Diesel modeling. Also think about an a-bomb or a h-bomb__You first have to have the hydrodynamic compression to set the bomb in motion, either the cannon charge model for the a-bomb, or the multiple shape charges of the h-bomb, toward its center. If that ain't diesel, I don't know what is, and almost every physicist sense the late 19th century has been ignoring the hydrodynamic dieseling effects of wave collisions__which are actually the total field's most important mechanics. Almost all standard cosmology is measured in fluid hydrodynamics, but as applied to gravity field mechanics... It's been the most successful model, since first used at Los Alamos in the `40's, to build the first a-bombs, in figuring star mechanics with hydrodynamics__so to build models of the exploding mass's destruction areas__so's not to blow up the planet__as that was some of the early fears, by some of those best scientists, at Los Alamos... I've posted the entire Los Alamos paper and the hydrodynamic papers of stars dieseling before, but don't have the link handy, now...

You gotta' have the pressure to explode the bombs__ya gotta' have the pressure in the proton, to explode the radiation__That's hydrodynamic dieseling__whether by spin vortex pressures, or by direct wave pressures and forces... All waves have frontal pressure forces, or the waves wouldn't scalar out as transverse waves, imo... Just watch a sound wave on the sands of the Bonneville Salt Flats, as the race-car goes 500 to 700 mph__em-waves within waves are similar, even in deep space... Huygens showed this centuries ago, and he was one of Einstein's hero's... He taught both Newton and Leibniz much...

It's just simple classical mechanics to me, as I ignore most of the subjective observer relative mechanics__Since the real Universe functions in Real and Absolute Classical Mechanics__It don't give a damn about observer's measurement opinions__even though for our scientists to be accurate, we do have to take in the relative mechanics when operating in multi-state moving space and objects...

It still has no ground effect on absolute mechanics, as pertains to a Universe and its motions and actions only__They are absolutes, to absolutes, even though they be moving...

Thanks for that explanation Lloyd.

Even though Vincent would explain it with different words IMHO, I think 'dieseling' is at the core of his UVS modeling.

Would 'dieseling' be the cause of your 'knotting' idea?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Thanks for that explanation Lloyd.

Even though Vincent would explain it with different words IMHO, I think 'dieseling' is at the core of his UVS modeling.

Would 'dieseling' be the cause of your 'knotting' idea?

The 'knotting idea' of fundamental waves is long before any dieseling capability, although it's the fundamental mechanics of wave formations and condensations leading to the later dieseling of all such formed particles. Knotting would be in a model of pure blank field, where the necessary hydrodynamics of nearest absolute zero k, would naturally form swirling weather like systems, of which I showed in an earlier post there would be and are only 9 degrees of freedom combinations of absolute motions of such possible extremely fundamental state of Universal Field Matter/Mass motions... The opposite handed chirality of these space-field storms would build into the knotting of first condensations' abilities... It's always the opposing handednesses that offer the highest efficiency of any possible condensation model. It's just a basic first step mechanics model that, imo, would be absolutely necessary, in any fundamental formations of open field motions to closing such motions, into the first condensed fundamental particles, even if those first particles be no more than isotopes of hydrogen and helium, etc., or whatever may have truly been first to form, and later build on their way to becoming black holes or possibly even the many huge surmised first stars, as none of us truly knows whether the Universe's first state was the surmised big bang, or a series of small bangs__something had to ignite first though, as we see the light, and that most likely was some form of a bang...

Btw Allen, Decay Mechanics is 'Attenuation' figured to the Limits of Necessary Planck Scales of FS/FM, and the Necessary Wave Motions of...

[PoPpAScience]

The 'knotting idea' of fundamental waves is long before any dieseling capability, although it's the fundamental mechanics of wave formations and condensations leading to the later dieseling of all such formed particles. Knotting would be in a model of pure blank field, where the necessary hydrodynamics of nearest absolute zero k, would naturally form swirling weather like systems, of which I showed in an earlier post there would be and are only 9 degrees of freedom combinations of absolute motions of such possible extremely fundamental state of Universal Field Matter/Mass motions... The opposite handed chirality of these space-field storms would build into the knotting of first condensations' abilities... It's always the opposing handednesses that offer the highest efficiency of any possible condensation model. It's just a basic first step mechanics model that, imo, would be absolutely necessary, in any fundamental formations of open field motions to closing such motions, into the first condensed fundamental particles, even if those first particles be no more than isotopes of hydrogen and helium, etc., or whatever may have truly been first to form, and later build on their way to becoming black holes or possibly even the many huge surmised first stars,

Would you consider your 'pure blank field' the same as my "Potential of Infinity for Eternity"? Potential being FS, Infinity being the Volume of FS, and Eternity being the "IS" of FS. Or, do you see your 'pure blank field' as still moving one way or another?

I total agree with what you said here, only that I would use different descriptive words. I lean more to the thoughts that, the first condensed entities where more like quarks or what ever quarks are made up of.

as none of us truly knows whether the Universe's first state was the surmised big bang, or a series of small bangs__something had to ignite first though, as we see the light, and that most likely was some form of a bang...

I personally see no need for a big bang. We only need an "Act of Freedom" to start the swirling weather patterns you speak of. There can be many other reasons for the light we see.

[PoPpAScience]

Btw Allen, Decay Mechanics is 'Attenuation' figured to the Limits of Necessary Planck Scales of FS/FM, and the Necessary Wave Motions of...

I totally see what your are saying here with the definition you gave for Attenuation. You did see in the previous post I made of the definition of Attenuated?

IMHO, Attenuation is an intricate part of the mechanics of creation, but not the dictator of the fate of our Universe. I see a process from your swirling weather patterns, till the 'here and now', and on into an unlimited creative future.