Real! Three Fundamentals, Plus Motion.

[PoPpAScience]

Real!


The three fundamentals of Real are: Potential of Infinity for Eternity.

Potential being the Substance of Real.
Infinity being the Volume of Real.
Eternity being the Perpetual of Real.

Potential is Substance without Form. It can be Compressed and Attenuated. It can be considered as a 'Fluid Aether'.

Infinity is Volume without boundaries. From a center perspective it is Macro and Micro.

Eternity is Perpetual, without beginning or end. It is the "IS" factor.

Real! IS a Volume of Perpetual Substance.


Then there was Motion!!


Motion: An Act of Freedom.

Real in Motion, is Perceived as "Finite Reality of Space for Time".

Form, Perceived as Finite Reality.
Area, Perceived as Space.
Exist, Perceived as Time.

Finite Reality is Potential as Form. Vortical interactions create stable cores for Complex Form.

Space is Infinity as Area. A Boundless Ocean of Motions give rise to all Form. "Here", is the delay in Perception of Form.

Time is Eternity as Exist. The Perpetual "IS" of Eternity makes possible the flow of Change. "Now", is the delay in Perception of the Past.

"Here and Now", is the Perception of a Viewer. We call it Space and Time.

Six main Actions of Motion that create all Finite Form are:

Linear, Centrifugal, Velocity.
Angular, Centripetal, Speed.

[SteveA]

Hi again. In the past your comments appeared too "High Level" for me, but I've been working getting a lot of links across the board and a lot of those are becoming more "High Level", so let me take a shot at this as it appears you have some consistent structure to work with here and I'd enjoy being able to find links to these as well.

Real!

The three fundamentals of Real are: Potential of Infinity for Eternity.

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Infinity being the Volume of Real.

In a purely informational form, a volume would store information. That information would most naturally appear to be a quantity, though it could also be perceived as a form.

A good analogy is that volume would be similar to the decimal positions of number and not the specific number itself. Those positions are, in reality, each defined by unique consciously perceived properties (we determine where something is and what form it takes via. perceptions - hence this volume is one constructed from the diversity of perceptual contexts in which things can be witnessed/experienced).

Potential

being the Substance of Real.

We might have some semantic differences and maybe potential and infinity could be swapped in my comments, but I see potential as the possible configurations this perceptual space could exist specifically as. In the analogy of a decimal number, it's not the space in which the "perceptual digits" reside, but instead all the possible quantities or forms that this space could describe or represent.

So, for example, if we had 3 positions/volumes available in this space and we could have each of these in 10 possible states, then the perceived volume would be those 3 positions, but the volume of potential experience would be 10*10*10=1000 and we could write these as the numbers ranging from 000 to 999.

The differences in "motions" between these additive/linear and multiplicative/exponential spaces creates a chaotic structure of prime numbers that have equivalent spectral characteristics, when comparisons are made between these two forms. Each could be seen as linear, within its own dimension, but there are not simple 1 for 1 informational matches between them (though we can trade off some of this complexity by using more specialized variant of multiplication that conserve information better and that appears to be a component of physics).

The physical volume would then add and motions along these digits could be perceived as a linear motion, but the volume of possibilities would then be exponential or multiplicative relative to this (that's if we assume these "digits" can exist in all possible configurations, but I'm skeptical that this is actually possible in a space as these independent digits/dimensions would not appear to have any detectable relationship to each other and would not appear to influence each other or exist within a single space that described any interactions between them. So I assume that the perception of a common, though multidimensional, space arises from asymmetries and a reduction in the actual volume that's possible and this would then allow for a specific orientation of these dimensions in space to appear to exist as well as provide a manner in which interactions between the properties of these dimensions would also appear to arise and this would appear to require that some states either be masked/superimposed into single observations or that some states would be simply impossible to construct - I tend to assume the previous is most likely and that it's a perceptual property that allows these asymmetrical deformations to be perceived, but that they do not necessarily exist "out there" in an objective sense, just like a fish might always detect sounds in the context of pressure waves in water, this does not mean that it's the only manner in which sound can exist).

"Eternity

being the Perpetual of Real"

I would normally say that this would be a property of time, allowing that perceptual space to be refined and growth in greater precision, but the manner in which this would appear to occur from a view "within the system", may not have a completely precise logical description available and it could be that this aspect appears as simply creative and unpredictable. Relative to a more conventional view in physics this could be quite similar to the Big Bang not appearing as something that occured X billion years ago and precreated all properties in the universe but instead that this "event" is actually an ongoing process and we're still experiencing the Big Bang in "full sensory, multidimensional, surround sound" and specifically what happens "Now" may not have any equivalent inertia except in the context of where things came from and not where things are going. Inertia would then become the restrictions to change possible that are capable or retaining attachments to things carried along with this change. (In other words, it could be that no form of change is inherently denied, though anything defined by specific properties over time in the past would not necessarily follow any changes that diverged from those properties - or at least only those aspects compatible with some form of change would be seen to remain present)

Potential

is Substance without Form. It can be Compressed and Attenuated. It can be considered as a 'Fluid Aether'.

Infinity is Volume without boundaries. From a center perspective it is Macro and Micro.

Eternity is Perpetual, without beginning or end. It is the "IS" factor.

It appears that I did use some different contexts than you used here. I get the impression that your use of Infinity and Potential is referring to relative observational scalings of space. In that case, if we're talking about one being determined by incompressible fundamental units and the other form appearing deformable via. relative measurements or an observational reference, then it's interesting to consider that a ratio in terms of the space of possibilities can become a linear motion in terms of a fundamental volume of information.

For example, we can keep it simple and look back at the 3 digit decimal number example. If we made a measurement of something that was actually a volume of possibilities, then we could measure 1000 possible states (the 3 digit decimal numbers 0-999), now if we measured something else to be 1/100th the volume, this this is could be considered a relative measurement that's a ratio and related to multiplication and division, but it can also be transformed into a representation of a difference of 2 (perceptual) "digits" between these two and 0-9 is only 100th of the volume of 0-999.

(I believe that the most natural form of these "digits" is not of them being all the same quantity of possibilities, such as every digit in decimal being in 1 of 10 states (which isn't really true as we have to use things like spaces and a decimal point to align these, so it takes more than 10 symbols to create decimal numbers and it also takes a diversity of perceivable qualities to "see" the space in which these exist), but instead that these could all be resonant wavelengths sharing a common unit of time and this can make these numbers appears as forms that alter over time and have many prime number relationships embedded within them - this can also make counting appear much like an object that changes form with highly fractal features (the common factors in a number) and spins within discrete "energy bands" of a chaotic vortex (arising from large primes - specifically what "large" is, is dependent upon the "window" of memory over which a history of the motion is being viewed as this determines whether or not a motion appears as a closed cycled or an open ended motion - if you can't remember a long enough period of time to determine that something repeated, then it appears as a new change or creative motion, otherwise it appears as an informationally closed/finite object)).

Finite Reality is Potential as Form. Vortical interactions create stable cores for Complex Form.

Space is Infinity as Area. A Boundless Ocean of Motions give rise to all Form. "Here", is the delay in Perception of Form.

Time is Eternity as Exist. The Perpetual "IS" of Eternity makes possible the flow of Change. "Now", is the delay in Perception of the Past.

"Here and Now", is the Perception of a Viewer. We call it Space and Time.

Six main Actions of Motion that create all Finite Form are:

Linear, Centrifugal, Velocity.
Angular, Centripetal, Speed.

I wanted to see how much I could tie in with these six properties you mentioned here, but I've got to take a break for a bit.

In any event, thank you for the ideas and stimulation. I'll have to come back and see how much more of this I can fit in.

Until later ...
Steve

[SteveA]

Quick addition:

I was just thinking that maybe I have the infinity/potential and informational volume/possibility descriptions swapped and your descriptions could be better. Volume shouldn't have any specific properties other than quantity and so volume should then be the exponential/multiplicative space of possibilties, which are constructed as identical points within a space where the properties of its dimensions would then be perceived qualities.

As an analogy with the decimal number example, every number 0 to 999 lies within a common space and the units are all compatible, but if we considered each digit individually, these are not in compatible units and, for example, the tens digit cannot be treated as being in the same units as the ones or hundreds digit, so we could not considered these quantities to be in any fundamental form of a unit volume and the unit volume would then be one of possibility or potential and not of specific substances that are in incompatible units.

[PoPpAScience]

Steve you are mixing up most of what I wrote. I appreciate your interest, but you must understand what I am saying before you can apply it to what you think. If you have questions, ask!

Potential is Substance. Infinity is Volume. Eternity is Perpetual. These are the "Three Fundamentals of One Real". There is no separation of the three fundamentals, they are One Real Thing. Change only occurs by Motion. Form only occurs by Motion. Change and Form are seamless, because of the Perpetualness of Eternity. Change and Form are Perceived by humans as "Finite Reality of Space for Time".

[SteveA]

Thanks for the corrections. I must have missed a quite a bit and yes, maybe your model doesn't contain mathematical analogs, though it was nice of you to offer help.

[PoPpAScience]

Thanks for the corrections. I must have missed a quite a bit and yes, maybe your model doesn't contain mathematical analogs, though it was nice of you to offer help.

I understand Steve how you visualize in the context of numbers. There is much in your posts, but much is lost in rambling and this makes it hard for me to reply. Hopefully you can get to the point in the future when you post to me, because I do see purpose to your visualizations.

[PoPpAScience]

Hi Steve.

I'm sorry I could not relate your analogies to my idea's. I do appreciate your interest though.

Only 'Form' stores information. 'Form' is made of substance(Potential) in motion. 'Form', as information, is an area of volume(Infinity).

[melanie]

Only 'Form' stores information. 'Form' is made of substance(Potential) in motion. 'Form', as information, is an area of volume(Infinity).

Hi Pop.

If form is made of substance(Potential)in motion.
Isn't it also true that this same substance (P) is formless?

[PoPpAScience]

Hi Pop.

If form is made of substance(Potential)in motion.
Isn't it also true that this same substance (P) is formless?

Hi Melanie.

Yes IMHO substance(Potential) is all there "IS"(Eternity), and it is formless. The formless(substance) is moved and held, into form(finite reality), by Motion only.