Toe is aether-based or non aether-based theory?

[vacuum-mechanics]

Dear friends,

We have talk about TOE in several aspects, but it seems that no one yet mentioned that whether the conventional TOE is an aether-based or a non aether-based physical theory?May be this new view will give us some insight about the TOE!

Let us start with the idea that if we could merge quantum theory (QTM) and general relativity theory (GTR), then TOE will be achieved! And we know that theconventional GTR is strictly a conventional non aether-based theory, while the conventional QTM was equipped with (what I called it as) a magic aether-based theory; i.e. the quantum activity aether-based one!

Now, only two alternative ways is possible to get the TOE; i.e. the first one that QTM must be a non aether-based as GTR, or the second one which GTR has to be an aether-based as QTM do. Then what we have to do next is to investigate which choice is more probable in the next pose!

Sincerely,
Nimit
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[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Dear friends,

We have talk about TOE in several aspects, but it seems that no one yet mentioned that whether the conventional TOE is an aether-based or a non aether-based physical theory?May be this new view will give us some insight about the TOE!

Let us start with the idea that if we could merge quantum theory (QTM) and general relativity theory (GTR), then TOE will be achieved! And we know that theconventional GTR is strictly a conventional non aether-based theory, while the conventional QTM was equipped with (what I called it as) a magic aether-based theory; i.e. the quantum activity aether-based one!

Now, only two alternative ways is possible to get the TOE; i.e. the first one that QTM must be a non aether-based as GTR, or the second one which GTR has to be an aether-based as QTM do. Then what we have to do next is to investigate which choice is more probable in the next pose!

Sincerely,
Nimit
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Good thread starter on foundation indentification for the TOE of physics.

Excellent suggestion for a reduction analysis for coherentism with comparative studies. This would inevitably invoke paradigm shifts for the foundation of physics in the investigation process.

Your investigation on which choice is more probable for the TOE is of my immerse interest. I look forward for your presentation on this.

All the best to you.

[Bogie]

You are addressing a popular topic about the ToE. Many of us have made up our minds that an aether-like background would help answer some difficult questions and so I am guessing that as you reveal your posts on the topic you will be pointing in that direction. "Bring it" as people say to those who are keeping us in suspense .

[vacuum-mechanics]

Dear Vincent Wee-Foo and Bogie,

Glad to talk to both of you again and thanks for your interest in the topic. Before continue detail of the topic (which will be in my next post). I would like to talk something about this topic, in which it would be a further step goes from our common discussion in Toe Quest. For my opinion, this may give a better view of Toe Quest from mainstream physicist observers, in whichit (Toe Quest) was thought as just a children playground!

Anyway, for us who are armature physicists, we should not just act like the naïve children who ask their parent about the existing of god, as was criticized by the professionals. Instead, we -Toe Quest members (who quest for the Toe) having the potential to do so in a more simple realistic way than the current mathematical abstract way of the professionals!

So what we should do together is trying to improve our work step by step, and in a not too long time, we could show them that we are not only asking, but we could also convince them to the right way out of their endless struggle to the Toe! Indeed I believe so, and how about you?

Sincerely,
Nimit
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[vacuum-mechanics]

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Now, only two alternative ways is possible to get the TOE; i.e. the first one that QTM must be a non aether-based as GTR, or the second one which GTR has to be an aether-based as QTM do. Then what we have to do next is to investigate which choice is more probable in the next pose!

Dear friends,

Before going further, let us to make clear that the TOE which we will talk about is the conventional TOE, and its definition, is the theory which unified the four basic forces of nature, i.e. gravity, electromagnetic force, weak and strong force! And for the aether (or ether), it is something which is physical existed in vacuum space, but unfortunately there is no definite meaning given!

Now, let us see for the first choice that if the TOE is a non aether-based as GTR does, then we have to accept that gravity is the manifest of curve space-time. And we have to be reminded here that (vacuum) space is an abstraction not a physical one! Then it seems very difficult to merge the gravity with other basic forces, even with the familiar (conventional) electromagnetic field force!

But, if we accept the second choice which GTR has to be anaether-based as QTM does, then we have to accept the graviton concept and also ignore that gravity is the manifest of curve space-time! And it seems that mainstream physicists rather prefer the graviton concept than another one. So we may conclude that they prefer the magic aether-based of quantum gauge field theory (which known as the standard model of particle physics) than Einstein non aether-based relativity theory!

Sincerely,
Nimit
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[Graybeard]

Now, let us see for the first choice that if the TOE is a non aether-based as GTR does, then we have to accept that gravity is the manifest of curve space-time. And we have to be reminded here that (vacuum) space is an abstraction not a physical one! Then it seems very difficult to merge the gravity with other basic forces, even with the familiar (conventional) electromagnetic field force!

But, if we accept the second choice which GTR has to be anaether-based as QTM does, then we have to accept the graviton concept and also ignore that gravity is the manifest of curve space-time! And it seems that mainstream physicists rather prefer the graviton concept than another one. So we may conclude that they prefer the magic aether-based of quantum gauge field theory (which known as the standard model of particle physics) than Einstein non aether-based relativity theory!

Sincerely,
Nimit
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Hi Nimit ... So which one are you accepting ??

cool bananas ... greg

[PoPpAScience]

To merge the theories one must start with the mind set that: QTM is Aether(substance), in Motion, in a sea of Form, while GTR is Form, in Motion, in a sea of Aether.

[vacuum-mechanics]

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But, if we accept [/FONT]the second choice which GTR has to be an aether-based as QTM does, then we have to accept the graviton concept and also ignore that gravity is the manifest of curve space-time! And it seems that mainstream physicists rather prefer the graviton concept than another one. So we may conclude that they prefer the magic aether-based of quantum gauge field theory (which known as the standard model of particle physics) than Einstein non aether-based relativity theory!

Dear friends,

Up to now, it seems that TOE rather looks like an aether-based as QTM than a non aether-based as GTR does. Anyway, QTM is a magic aether-based theory instead of a conventional aether-based as mentioned early! Then before going further, we have to make clear about themeaning of the magic aether-based in the quantum mechanics domain.

Starting with the basic quantum mechanical theory (QMT) which is actually the non aether-basedone; i.e. it work within empty vacuum space framework! And when it extended to a relativistic quantum mechanics, then it became to be one which based on the concept that vacuum space was filled with quantum activity of virtual particles. Finally it was expanded to arelativistic quantum gauge field theory in which Higgs field was postulated to pervade vacuum space, so it is indeed a magic aether-based theory!

There is a huge different between the conventional aether-based and the magic aether-based theory. While the first concept is a realistic physical medium that was invent as an understandable mechanism for the pondered phenomenon. But the second concept was an ad hoc of an abstract idea which could not be understands, and was just built in order to get the right answer!

One well knownmagic aether-based concept is what was called as vacuum polarization (in quantum electrodynamics theory) and it was supposed to be arisen from the mysterious spontaneous creation and destruction of infinite virtual particles. The crucial problem is that it is something like a magic which we could not understand what it is and how it works!

Sincerely,
Nimit
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[vacuum-mechanics]

Dear friends,

After consideringthe only two alternative ways which is possible to get the TOE (i.e. the first choice that QTM must be a non aether-based as GTR or the second choice which GTR has to be anaether-based as QTM). What we have got is that TOE is not fit with both two choices; i.e.TOE is neither a non aether-based nor anaether-based! How could it be something like that?

To solve the above problem, we have to recall that we have start with the condition that we could get TOE by merging general relativity (GTR) with quantum mechanics (QTM), but it is well known that until today it is not possible to do so! Also we have show that both the two theories have different base concept, sohow could we merge different based theory together?

Up to this point, let us reconsider what is meant that TOE is the theory which unified the four basic forces of nature. Could it means that TOE is the theory which able to explain all natural phenomena? The answer is yes, because all natural phenomena are the effect which was caused by the four basic forces of nature!

Based on the new view of TOE, we could see that both GTR and QMT were created in order to explain some related natural phenomena. While GTR was used to explain phenomena in large scale (universe), QTM was used to explain phenomena in small scale (atom). So we could say that both theories were used to explain the phenomena of the same one world, but they have different (aether) based, what wrong?

Sincerely,
Nimit
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[Lloyd Gillespie]

The word 'Aether' should be replaced by 'Field'__then both are united in the 'Absolutely Necessary Continuum' of said field__which both theories respect... Case closed...

As a backup__The continuum field of memory space and thought space absolutely necessitates said field's presence 'everywhere', to maintain the super-continuity of memory to thought, over time__or cognition would be fallible... Logical cognition is necessarily infallible at the limit of non-contradiction__thus the field continuum is absolutely necessary... Since it's mentally necessary, it's also 'everywhere' necessary__since we have no contradiction of healthy standard working memory failing anywhere, including space... Also, light and magnets work everwhere__thus necessitating 'Field Continuum is everywhere...'

Why is science arguing over such a simple linguistic concept as the 'One Aether/Field...???'

It's obviously, logically, 'A Super-Continuity Necessity' of the four field forces__in order for the four forces not to contradict each's actions...

You'll find the proofs by an 'Isomorphic Correspondence Quantificalion Logic' of pure model 'Concepts' comparisons...

It must be a 'Real Necessary World System', a 'Real World First Order Mathematical System' and a 'Necessary Real World Logical/Analogical Comparison Model'__based on the 'Generality of Genericity', since we 'Can Not' measure the least infinitesimals of the fundamental hyper-fine structured Bosons__though we know they approach zero, yet still remain infinitesimal, as to true measure__They never go to absolute zero Planck volume__as that would contradict 'Necessary Existence...'