[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by humanbydefault That's why two photons in a incoming collision path would always see the NET SPEED exactly 300,000 km/s. Because the moment you decided to measure the relative speed using your instruments you needed to determined with an action on it your position. In quantum mechanics you couldn't have an exact answer... remeber? It is either momentum or position! HUMANBYDEFAULT

hi more then default

I received a message from the future recently. I turned on my computer at ten am and there was an Email for me. Time stamped at 1:15 am the same day!

Of course it was relative.

To beyond that though personal experience has led me to believe that getting beyond the timers there is not just a destined future but the ability of the mind to go ahead based on some very simple use of the mind.
With this the root of the conception, I must subscribe to the idea that we will discover the whys and what for this has happened, so, that said why? I sort of already know the what fir's ...

common factors, science, philosophy, theology, astronomy, EMF, even vortex gravitational fields ... the disciplines are there for understanding the event horizon and God help the Lotto Games when its figured out to the masses

there has to be a resonating factor on the human perceptive ability to connect, understand after connection what is seen, an deal with it ergo the brain functioning, ... if consciousness then be the key it has to be found in that term back in this subscription and it is the nature of the testing being done at and not with the event that science fails to quantify. Duke U has come close but others ... they just do not fit the results reported and known to me in over fifty years of study to exist.

Mr E knew this as well and never said by the way faster then light is not possible ....

This tells me something else. IT is understood. Paranoia? maybe? but i am nobody special. Just an old man at the city gates being told i I feel ..to go back an note a few things I found ... hope they are interesting

Peace~ Graham

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by ANDY J Wow time is very complicated, if time did not exsist would everything still have happen but all at once and without time would we have been aware of it happening.

Hi andy

I love what if's.
I hate bad spelling,
laziness ,
to use the spell checker
can answer
what
if
the ponder

Peace! Graham

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by michellemfry What if time were a force of order? ....... Feel free to let your imagination go to wherever it takes you, theoretically. The wilder, the better. Create a hypothetical universe where time is an ordered force.

A cat amongst the pigeons.......

Time is ordered but it's not a force. It is a quantum mechanism which enables the collapse of wave forms by the input of a chronon (the 'time particle' - which is actually a string). Except in the case of the weak force, the presence of a chronon is necessary for the probability of two wave forms to exceed the critical value, collapse and for matter particles to form. As the chronons appear in the real world according to a precise digital sequence, their presence governs the motion of all matter.

This is (a small) part of my hypothetical universe.

Felix

[Profpat]

That may be purr-fectly logical Felix. I once saw you as a wall clock and your tail was being used as a pendulum.

I thought time and space and motion were all interconnected into a time/space/continuum, but than I was never a clock.

Best to you,

Pat

[jim barlow]

"As the chronons appear in the real world according to a precise digital sequence, their presence governs the motion of all matter."

There is also an "eternal recurrence" hypothesis advanced by Nietzsche among others. I can't do justice to it (even if I had the space) can only indicate something about perception.

Namely that in our TINY suboptimal fashion we see roughly the same thing repeating in different formats.

Also there is no observable total picture due to the sheer magnitude of the thing so it may not be a precise repetition of the exact same thing but shifting to other parts as well. The whole thing though is timeless and those chronons act through our consciousness -- or where else?

[theunify]

Originally Posted by jim barlow "As the chronons appear in the real world according to a precise digital sequence, their presence governs the motion of all matter." There is also an "eternal recurrence" hypothesis advanced by Nietzsche among others. I can't do justice to it (even if I had the space) can only indicate something about perception. Namely that in our TINY suboptimal fashion we see roughly the same thing repeating in different formats. Also there is no observable total picture due to the sheer magnitude of the thing so it may not be a precise repetition of the exact same thing but shifting to other parts as well. The whole thing though is timeless and those chronons act through our consciousness -- or where else?

I suggest we talk about this 'Real World' some more, I particularly liked the episode where they were in Seattle. Also let's bring up your concept at the next chat.

~theunify

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by michellemfry What if time were a force of order? Disorder, the anti-force, or stabilizer to the force. Would there be any significant change in physics to consider such a thing? In this view, disorder is a positive quantity. I'm not sure what it is now. Would anyone like to enter the experiment? Feel free to let your imagination go to wherever it takes you, theoretically. The wilder, the better. Create a hypothetical universe where...time is an ordered force.

Time, well, thats deep, there has to be a relationship to the agitation of molecular particle form to emit free rads in a progressive sequential order on demand to an event where the radiation, in recent testing, I agitated the particle forms of a singular molecular structured form to a specific degree and time perceptive to the consciousness of the event was such that it took longer to develope the result wanted but then time sped up to create the second from in less real time using the same process.

I then ate my pancakes throwing out the first one that never in the progressive time compared to the stable time turns out to be uniform that proves the point of issue that time is relative, sometimes.

Graham

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by G_burnett Time, well, thats deep, there has to be a relationship to the agitation of molecular particle form to emit free rads in a progressive sequential order on demand to an event where the radiation, in recent testing, I agitated the particle forms of a singular molecular structured form to a specific degree and time perceptive to the consciousness of the event was such that it took longer to develope the result wanted but then time sped up to create the second from in less real time using the same process.

Dear Charles Lutwidge

I thought English was the prefered language on this site?

Felix

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger Dear Charles Lutwidge I thought English was the prefered language on this site? Felix

Oh sorry i forget as an owner of a dog that likes to climb trees chasing cats there may be a language barrier to the feline persona.

I heated up my frying pan and noticed there was the usual effect of time on the event where the first pancake either comes out burned or not done compared to the rest of the stack once the pan is fully in a slave to time heated up ... and it is my real name TY, no Louis Carrol here. Just a aphorism !

Peace! Graham

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by G_burnett Oh sorry i forget as an owner of a dog that likes to climb trees chasing cats there may be a language barrier to the feline persona. I heated up my frying pan and noticed there was the usual effect of time on the event where the first pancake either comes out burned or not done compared to the rest of the stack once the pan is fully in a slave to time heated up ... and it is my real name TY, no Louis Carrol here. Just a aphorism! Peace! Graham

Hi Graham

You have a dog that climbs trees? I'm not keen on pancakes, I prefer cat food.

The point here is that when we discuss time we have to disassociate ourselves from our perception of it which may be completely different from actual time - or even that measured by a clock. My concept is that time is a phenonemon of the real world and is a completely logical, mechanical process - it is only our perception of it that is complicated.

regards
Felix