Planetary Assembly Line

[analog]

Not that i believe this, but i like to sometimes think unconventionally.

If you look at the progression of planets from near to far, starting with Mercury, there seems to be a pattern of sorts to it. One could get the impression that the individual views of all of the planets are in fact stages in the life of one planet. Wheather it be asscending or descending from the sun, as time elapses changes are constantly taking place over vast amounts of time that alter the appearance of each.

The inner-most planets are more solid filled as if coming out of the forge of the sun and cooling to form dense balls of mass. As you move out to the next planet, the gases continue to divide from the solids, until you get to the point of progression, where the gases take over and are more abundant, as is seen with the gas giants like jupiter. Then, past them, things continue to change, as seen in pluto, even though it's not considered a planet anymore.

Thus, following that train of thought, all of the interactions on those planets are inevitably work related to progress it along the assembly line of sorts. Which is interesting because where we live would be the logical place to get the trapped gases and things from within the hardned surface. Just as form follows function, you would need a very well equiped creation for that roll, life perhaps.

Life would then be the progression of form following function, until you arrived at the one function that took some extra inginuity, digging, releasing the trapped gases and such within the earth below. This would take a special creature, one whose job would require intelligence to mold other things into doing it's bidding. Thus, bringing about the need for consiousness and higher thinking, such as emotion and religion.

From their earliest recorded history they would be building monuments to why they are here. Things such as pyramids, things that would stand the test of time as a symbol of the reason for their creation. They could have chose not to build, but their motivations of religion and culture were convincing enough. So, they did what they were put here to do. They hauled big stones and such, and put them in the most efficient pile imaginable, as a testament through the years of the nature of man, blind to their real purpose, swayed by their beliefs.

This would imply that the current state of a planet dictates its orbital distance from the sun. That being said, perhaps we now live at not only the only stage of a planet that can sustain life, but also the only radius that can sustain it. Perhaps, we forever mingle within our realm, waiting to supply our services to the next rock coming down the line.

This gives an industrial type feel to existence, I think. Whereby, we loose ourselves in day to day life, as we drive around in our necessary creations spuing gases as is needed for change. Not even realizing, the polution we fear is the reason we are here.

So, from this view, why are we here? Because of the inginuity it takes to manipulate tools to do the hardest job in existence.

Just thought I would stir some thoughts.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks Analog,I like the idea you are posting,we could indeed be on a sort of assembly
line,starting of as very dross and "dense material,then ascending up the evolutionary ladder from the mineral realm,veg,animal,and finally into the human kingdom,and then
on ever upward,next stop Mars!



regards michael.

[analog]

Thanks Analog,I like the idea you are posting,we could indeed be on a sort of assembly
line,starting of as very dross and "dense material,then ascending up the evolutionary ladder from the mineral realm,veg,animal,and finally into the human kingdom,and then
on ever upward,next stop Mars!



regards michael.

or perhaps Venus? maybe our job is done on Mars, and soon Earth. who's to say? thanks for the reply.

[analog]

just trying to get to level 5 for a post.

[Mikal]

Hi Analog....very much like you I like to unconventionally think about the layout of the planets in the Universe and think outside of the box as to their relationship to human consciousness. When I layed them out I began with the Sun as representing consciousness, then to Mercury representing sight and perception, then to Venus representing touch and feeling, then to the Earth and Moon representing physical form and lower emotion, then to Mars representing taste and sensation, then to Jupiter representing the sense of smell and breathing, then to Saturn representing the sense of hearing and listening, then to Uranus representing higher perception and metaphysical intelligence, then to Neptune representing abstract thought and higher emotion and finally to Pluto representing higher sensation, the subconscious mind and the human ability to perceive, hear and sense beyond normal human capabilities.
When I put this together it seemed to explain to me the complexities we experience when trying to relate to others our own particular experience of our own internal existence for example one person may be at the level of experiencing from the Mercury level and another from the Pluto level. These are all just thoughts although interesting ones....


smiles Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

The solid planets may have come from dead star cores, and the gassy ones (like Uranus), ha, from other failed stars that didn't collapse or burn out. Also the sun is a star, so perhaps everything is of stars.

[analog]

Hello my friends,

I think this was the first thread I started when I joined the community, and though my thoughts have furthered since I joined (thanks to a few good friends here), I still view everything as a process/progression, even the manifestation of life.

Our world displays logic and symmetry, and if it's built upon such a foundation, then a ToE is plausible in my mind. Just look at how big the universe is, yet to our knowledge it forms similar structures throughout (e.g. autonomous matter, galaxies, stars, planets, etc.) In my opinion, things really don't get interesting, or complicated, until you get to the planetary stage, and within that relatively small relm you have such a greater diversity of structure (e.g. elements, compounds, etc.). There's a greater variety of form/structure within our oceans than there is within the rest of the entire universe as far as we know.

Our entire periodic table is a representation of the structures formed by our systematic universe as it accumulates volumes of itself to manifest the varying densities of our observed world; thus this little rock we ride around on has a change density unmatched by any other celestial body we know of, IMHO. The diversity of change/structures take place on so many resolutions here it's not really even miraculous to imagine that such seemingly complex structures such as ourselves (i.e. living cells) would inevitably manifest as steps within this progression somewhere.

There are so many stages and resolutions of change/motion taking place within such a relatively small spatial volume on this planet. Everything has to be just right to accomodate life, which means everything has to be within the middle of the extremes of our world. Not to cold (i.e. space), but not to hot (i.e. sun), which means we also find ourselves within a medium somewhere between their densities. Within this medium of solids, liquids, and gases, our bodies are soft to the touch, flexible, nimble; not too hard, not too soft.

Even though I refuse to believe that we are the reason for our world (i.e. spiritual center), if you think about it, we truly are at the center of all states and structures (i.e. material center). In a universe where change takes place at absolute velocity, our atmosphere provides the environment for a lush gathering of elements all converting the FS (through uniform motion) at many different resolutions (i.e. periodic table).

The GUT I spend so much time discussing with/learning from Dave (thanks to his patience with me and my inquisitive mind) tells us how and why change takes place in our world (short term motion) and what is changing/moving; only when we understand when and where these changes take place (long term motion) through the progression of cause and effect of the how and why will we shuffle through the layers to reveal the mechanisms for the abstracts such as life and consciousness; whereby we will finally be able to proclaim a true ToE.

We'll find the explaination for ourselves somewhere centered between the micro and the macro, emerging from the murky stagnant medium which only a planet such as this can provide, but that's just my opinion.


later,

Tim

[austintorn@aol.com]

The Good Earth

Earth couldn’t be farther out in space, alone;
In all directions it rolls along, unknown.
Look at the stars piercing the depths of time
They beckon, warm and welcome, the fires of home.

Imagination lights the mind to shine,
To cool Venus’s reasonless passion,
To warm Mars’ martial song with compassion;
Between those two orbits, the Earth is mine.

Oft I drink-in the pleasures of creation,
For what else could be the point of cognition,
If not to absorb all that comes streaming in?
Life’s sensation is the main attraction!

Earth’s a garden, an oasis in space,
A world of boundless beauty and grace
We could search the heavens for such in vain,
Finding no equal, any time or any place.

Why is the Earth for human life so perfect?
And billions of other planets so unfit?
Well, if this world wasn’t right for life, then
We wouldn’t be here to ask about it!

[PoPpAScience]

Hi Tim;

I also like to think about how the planets look like an Assembly line. My vision of the Assembly line is a little different then yours, and goes back maybe 25 years. I called it; "Drifting inner planets" theory. I saw the inner planets as drifting towards the outer planets and as they passed through what I call the "Life Zone", they become inhabited.

The asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars was once a planet, and will eventually be recycled by Jupiter. Mars was once where Earth is today and will be where the asteroid belt is now someday. Venus will in the future be where Earth is now and inhabited as it passes through the "Life Zone". Mercury is a new formed planet and is moving up the Assembly line with a future visit with the "Life Zone".

I don't think much about this theory anymore, but I feel it has merit, like yours does.

[analog]

hello Pop,

Glad to see you back with us. Hope your journeys were enjoyable.

I like to think of myself as a realist of the highest degree, whereby I like to take panoramic views of what's going on in our world, and then edit out those things (e.g. emotion, preoccupying thoughts, etc.) which hide our minds/understanding from the truth. Similar to a radio receiver, we absorb the information of the world around us, which allows us to function, into our minds moment by moment, along with the inevitable local static (i.e. our thoughts) going on within our minds and becoming inseparable to the important information as we perceive reality. I prefer to tune into the real, whereby tuning out the static as much as possible while maintaining the carrier frequency of learning beneath it all.

At any moment, a portrait of reality could be taken above a busy city street. This portrait would contain actual information represented as shaded pixels which come together to form images of many people running to and fro in an effort to live their lives. Though their thoughts and emotions were seemingly driving every muscle movement which dictated their paths as their minds were filled with thoughts of work, home, others, etc, while their emotions brought them joy, peace, anger, etc.; the snapshot didn't capture such things; it only captured the important substance of the transpiring of events. It didn't matter what they all were thinking or feeling; all that mattered is that they were doing, and what they were doing is better understood when we learn to disassociate ourselves from the static within our minds, whereby only capturing the information needed to shade our pixels of understanding in our efforts to render an accurate portrayal of reality.

I'm self-taught in such things, so I refer to this as disassociation, and a proper practice of such often leads to some interesting insights and questions about the world around us. We merely need to tune into what information within a scene establishes priority, and what is secondary, IMHO. This thread was actually an initial attempt to express this methodology.

Though my framework has evolved since my time here, my underlying methodology for viewing reality has remained intact, whereby now my mechanized views reach much farther than merely our own solar system, or galaxy even, in my attempts to capture images and scenes of the entirety of existence.

I hope this makes sense. If not, let me know and I'll try to explain better.

Later my friend,

Tim