[David Maes]

Originally Posted by <<>> What time?

The only time I really consider to be proven right now is the psychological one.



Sub, with all respect, these things sound speculative to me. There is no real prove whether it's wrong or right. So you can be wrong or you can be right.
Can't judge it.

I also consider my own ideas to be too speculative.

Originally Posted by quanta07 Yes, David, it is undeniably, very real, measurable, and misunderstood.

With all respect.
I think you can be right, you can be wrong. Don't know...
I think it's not proven.

What is it you think we misunderstand?

Oh.. another thing... Did you actually create the mathematics of your post?? If so; well done (I couldn't it); have much respect for it. Think you should use your talent to extend it + create many models in science where needed.
(I cannot jugde it because of a shortage of mathematical knowledge (should do something about it if I can))



What do you think about quantitative entropy in molecular biology for example?

[Duane Ertle]

Originally Posted by David Maes With all respect. I think you can be right, you can be wrong. Don't know... I think it's not proven. What is it you think we misunderstand? Oh.. another thing... Did you actually create the mathematics of your post?? If so; well done (I couldn't it); have much respect for it. Think you should use your talent to extend it + create many models in science where needed. (I cannot jugde it because of a shortage of mathematical knowledge (should do something about it if I can)) What do you think about quantitative entropy in molecular biology for example?

Don't know much about bio. Haven't ever seen a missing link between mankind and lesser creatures. I suspect, due to the dna factor already existent in cells, this value rises and falls in different organisms, but has a limit set in either direction. What is your opinion?

Respectfully - Me

[Planet_Bob]

Originally Posted by quanta07 Yes, David, it is undeniably, very real, measurable, and misunderstood.

You can't measure Time.

Time is now.

Not 1 second ago or 1 second in the future, because they may have a different absolute value to the Time that is now. 1 second measured in the future may last longer than a previous second.

When you take a measurement with your watch, or any other timing device, what you are measuring is duration, which provides you with an average of the value of Time between the start and end of the period you measured.

[dleviwing]

Steve;(planet_bob)
There are many who would strongly disagree with you; I'm not one of them. Time is a term derived from the need to reference physical motion to a common motion standard. The measure of time is actually the measure of motion.

[michellemfry]

I tend to take the universe as the last word on things, so to speak, and the lesson I am being given is one of acceleration. Why the universe has decided to accelerate in some area is a mystery to me. But it has clearly decided to do something in less time than it has been known to do previously. This says to me that there is a mastery of time. That is not a mispelling. I meant to say mastery.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Steve;(planet_bob) There are many who would strongly disagree with you; I'm not one of them. Time is a term derived from the need to reference physical motion to a common motion standard. The measure of time is actually the measure of motion.

Yes, and I agree with you two that the measure of time is not time itself, just like centemeters aren't space but the measure of it, seconds aren't time but the measure of it.

But what you can't say is that time is now. That's the exact opposite of time. Time is the dimensions of change, or motion (whatever you call it), the important thing is that now is not time, now is space. I'm going to make a cartesian analogy. In the coordinate system, we have x and y. X is defined as y=0 and y is defind as x=0. Well the same with space and time. If there is a now, that is time=0 (for now exactly is a moment, a unique state, not a motion) and that is Space. So actually every now and then are points in space. Time is the difference, the path from now to then or then to now. It's dificult to explain but it's correct.

[Planet_Bob]

Prior to the initial event that created the Universe (avoiding mentioning any Big Bang) there would have been one single entity containing everything that the Universe contains (law of conservation of energy).
Now, some time after that event, there are lots of entities, each containing a part of that initial entity.

There is no reason to believe that everything created in the immediate aftermath of that initial event is what we have today. We know that more complex particles are created in the cores of stars where there is sufficient pressure.
What are these particles created from? They are made from whatever that original entity consisted of.

Consider this. Over time, these building blocks impact with other building blocks causing them to split into smaller blocks. What you end up with is a sort of Universal Mitosis.
So, between 2 points in space we have a single block, which then becomes 2, 4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024.........
If these blocks determined the distance between these 2 points, then on observing the change it would appear that they are accelerating away from each other. Obviously, the further apart the two points, the greater the level of acceleration.

This says to me that there is no mastery of time, merely changes in distance giving the illusion of changes in speed. After all, they use the light detected from distance supernova to determine the acceleration and the speed of light is accepted as being a constant.

Originally Posted by <<>> So actually every now and then are points in space. Time is the difference, the path from now to then or then to now. It's dificult to explain but it's correct.

Surely what you are measuring is elapsed time, not time itself.

[quanta07]

The units of measure of distance is STILL distance.

The units of measure of time is STILL time.

Time to consider time itself may be wasted here. As time runs out, the conceptualization that time is more than manmade is becoming obvious.

There is structure present, directional linearity of event potential is present in three dimensions. These properties are geometric properties and should be viewed as geometric properties of time itself.

The role of time itself, within the expanding cosmos, is presented here....

http://www.toequest.com/forum/showth...=2&pp=&conly=0

Expansion in all forms, requires multidimensional geometric time....

It is difficult to find the time to consider time itself,

even more difficult to remove the intangible factor of its presence.

Happy Thougths............Q7

[quanta07]

Time….a linear, ordered, sequence of continuous events. We hide from any suggestions and observations that time is more complex than we want it to be. We banter words about the subject, sometimes deliberately changing the subject. The fear of this ‘unknown’ causes conclusions of safe definitions, such as discrete units of measure. It is only man that defines time as discrete, units of seconds. Some repute time as imaginary, an illusion, something man has just made up as a measuring unit. Nature has defined time as a continuous line, geometrically and multidimensional within the events of an expanding cosmos. A continuous line of events, continuous events of electron orbits, continuous presence of nuclei, existence itself relies on time. Not manmade, not illusionary, not discrete, within nature, time itself is continuous, geometric and multidimensional. Time is not a product of a human mind. It existed before man and will exist long after man exterminates himself.

From past conversations and observations,
time travel experiments have been unsuccessful.(1943, USS Eldridge)

Dr Ronald Mallet, Univ of Conn, is using Light to extend the life of a nutrino?
According to him, time travel is but a few years away.
The human race is nearing a revalation in physics, sure hope we are ready for things to come.

Just found the link......

http://physorg.com/news63371210.html

Until another time.......Q7

[dleviwing]

Q7;
The USS Eldridge was an experiment in radar deflection using wave interference. It has been blown completely out of proportion probably due to the secrecy at the time. The movie however was a great SiFi. I’m sure that Dr Ronald Mallet will disappear in time also.