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Originally Posted by David Maes I believe (forgive me; I'm only human) in one fundamental truth (scientifical and objective): time does not move. |
I believe it's a scientifical truth; I
BELIEVE it's a fundamental truth. Of course believing it's a fundamental truth can be completely wrong also.
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Originally Posted by quanta07 I agree, however our reference coordinate system does move.
If one accepts the concept of multidimensional time, what will we gain?
What may be possible soon?
For the moment, just suppose/imagine, a large vertical ring on a corner in New York, another large vertical ring in your home town, stepping on the platform in front of your home town ring, sliding your credit card, receiving authorization, entering in coordinates of New York. A blue haze fills the ring in your home town and the ring in New York.
From your home town, you place one leg through the ring, your foot lands firmly in New York, while the other foot is still in your home town. You step through, emerging in New York, no time has passed in your journey, only distance.....
Sci-Fi? For now, Maybe... but with the understanding of the role of time in our environment, this hypothetical event may not be as far away as you may think.
Time travel, has already occurred, with disastrous results, 'The Philadelphia Experiment'. With alterations in device design, distance travel with minimal time may be possible, using only monochromatic light.
Supposition only, for the Time being.....
Happy Thougths...Q7 |
This looks a bit like a book I read from a certain Dr. Rucker, who's book I admire and respect enormously.
I cannot resist my curiousity. Do you believe in subjective time perception?...
When we consider the idea of 'time', we also have to distinguish
subjective and
objective time.
What's objective time?
The objective time is the time like it presents itself to us. This time presents itself to the senses of living creatures as stimuli. It has not been processed yet by the brain! This time moves with the same speed for every observer, in spite of the observer is an animal or a man. So it is the real 'streaming' time (if time actually streams of course...)
What is subjective time?
Subjective time is the time like it's perceived by us and by our brain, or by an animal brain; with other words, this is our time perception or our perception of time. I believe time perception to be subjective! This time can be different from one observer to another one. I believe between the several species of animals there also can appear different perceptions of time.
When we compare the time perception between several humans, then there seem to be differences between the several individuals.
So I think objective time for everybody has the same speed (if it has one); but the way this time is perceived by the brain is another case.
Every man can perceive time in a different way; what's fast for one can be slow for another one.
'Time flies when you're having pleasure,' the saying says. I think this to be correct.
I've once read about some experiment which goes as follows...:
Some doctors gave to subjects tests in which they had to find specific items in several images. Before they began, they were told that when the test was done, they would be asked to estimate how long the test had lasted.
In the most simple of the seven several test levels, the items which had to be searched, had a different color than all the rest, or the items were hardly hidden. In the levels which were more difficult, the items were positioned between many items which looked similar, or the items were just not present.
The result: how more difficult the searching, how shorter the duration of the test was estimated. With other words, how more the mind is involved in a task, how faster time seems to go. So the test is estimated for 3 minutes for example, while in reality it's duration is 6 minutes. For example, a subject thinks it's only 9 o'clock, while in reality it's allready 3 past 9.
Before the experiment began, the subjects were told that they would be asked to estimate the duration of the test, because humans are usually better in predicting how long the duration of a task will be, than in estimating how long it took.
So I think the speed of time we perceive can be different for every man. I believe the experimental results of the speed of time we perceive would be more like statistical averages.
When we download something from the internet, this can take a while. I read about some tests which showed that the color of the screen you see during downloads, determines wether you'll perceive the download like something which takes a longer or a shorter duration.
I've noticed also that the years seem to pass faster than in former days. I believe older people also have the feeling that time passes faster.
I've read also the following...
During moments of high stress, for example during a car accident, our 'internal clock' rather seems to accelerate. The result is time seems to stand still or move incredibly slowly. Is this true?
I think also drugs influences our time perception. When you take drugs that makes the amount of dopamine in your brain increase, like cocaine and methamphetamine, than time seems to stand still also or to move incredibly slowly.
Marihuana and some other chemicals, on the contrary, decrease the levels of dopamine, and make time seeming to past faster. Are these things true??
Tiens, wasn't it just yesterday I was typing last weeks text?
How do we measure the time perception of a man or an animal?
For an animal, for example a fly, we present it a stimulus. We can see how fast or how slow the fly percieves the speed of time, by simply watching how fast the fly reacts.
I think with these kind of experiments, the fly will react much faster than a man. I believe this means that a fly sees time running slower than we see it.
What's the cause of this?
I think there can be three possible causes. First of all we know that a fly has a much smaller brain than we do. We also know that the complexity of the information that has to be processed by its brain, and that comes in via the senses, is a lot more complex with human than with fly. When for example we look to a chair, then our brain will perceive a chair immediately. Immediately we give a significance to the object we perceive.
I think a fly of course will also give a significance to this object, but this significance will be a lot less complex than the significance we perceive.
Now, imagen that the real 'flux' of time would be like 30 images a second. Suppose this 'flux' presents itself to our senses and to the senses of the fly.
Suppose our brain can really perceive 10 images a second, and that the brain of a fly can really perceive 20 images. I believe the fly will perceive time running slower and thus will be able to react faster.
This could be caused by the fact that the perceptions of the fly are less complex. From the 30 images that the senses of the fly receive, it will have to process a lot less information (or better data) than our brain does. This could result to the fact that a fly really also receives more images in her brain. We receive a less amount of images, because the images which our senses receive process a lot more information.
This is one hypothesis I have. Of course it could also be that the brain of the fly recieves more images than we do anyhow, in spite of the complexity. This is my secund hypothesis. I don't know which one is right. In each case, I believe the fly will see time running slower.
Flies are hard "to capture". They are so fast. Some people believe this is caused by the fact that flies can perceive some kind of differences in moving air and that this way they allready see your beating hand coming when it's still on a reasonable distance from the fly itself. This is also true.
(Does this 'smell' a bit like relativity?) This is because of the very keen construction of its feelers.
But I believe that when we would present stimuli to the fly without using these differences in moving air, it would still react faster than we do; so I think it will percieve time running slower.
I think there are also animals for whom time will run faster than for human. Think for example of a seestar. When we look at a seestar, then it seems not to move. Suppose we put two seestars next to eachother, and every five minutes we take a picture of the two seestars together. When we let continue the pictures fast behind eachother, what would we see?
Would they be 'marking out' there territory?? I think with our perception of time we don't see this. If this would be true, then a seestar would only have a short perception like every five minutes or so. Then it would see time running faster...
For example, look at the birds, they seem to move faster than we do; Do they also have another time perception than we do?
I also heard something about certain animals which stay on tree trunks, and which stay there in the very hot sunlight. Do they use some mechanism to 'switch off' there time perception during a certain time?
Then their 'consciousness' would actually 'jump' to a futur period. I think they use this mechanism to survive.
What happens when they anaesthetize you before an operation? Does your consciousness 'jump' to a futur period?
And think of frogs almost frozen during winter. It seems they 'jump' to...
This might have something to do with the fact animals like frogs, flies, spiders, ... are coldblooded animals. They use some mechanism to drop their body temperature to make a 'jump' forward in time.
Humans don't have this mechanism (their body temperature is always 37 degrees).
I think even bears (which are hotblooded) can make a sudden change in temperature, to change their time perception.
Very striking I believe to be bacteria. Of course bacteria won't have a perception like we do. I think their perception happens by exchanging chemicals
(a bit like we do but on a lower level). Bacteria can sometimes be in almost 'impossible' environnements, with extreme hot and extreme cold temperatures. I've heard something of bacteria being frozen in for a million of years; and when they tawned them, they came back to life, they started moving again... Is this true?? If it is, well then this is one hell of a jump!
Then another thing about human time perception... imagen that it would be true that we only receive for example 10 of the 30 images which are presented from our senses, in our brain. From example look at the rotating wheel of a car. As long as the wheel does not move to fast, we SEE it running in the right direction. However, from the moment it is moving faster, it seems that the wheel is rotating in the opposite direction. Of course this is not happening. We only see it running that way because the wheel is moving faster, than we can recieve images from it. (looks a bit like relativity again)
Think of the moving screw of a helicopter. We don't see it moving. We only see something like a circle. This is because our brain cannot follow the motion.
I think time perception is arrange by the sorting of atomic particles in the brain.
Now, imagen that the fly would perceive everything moving slower than we do. And imagen the fly could do the Michelson Morley experiment (which is impossible of course). Then I think it would also perceive the constant speed of light like we do. The only difference would be, it would perceive light moving slower than us. But of course, it perceives everything going slower. So it's logical.
The only thing is, if time perception would really be different among several species of animals, it makes you wonder... does time actually move at all??
Another thing... When we humans look at a chair, then we all perceive this chair. But will a fly perceive the chair the same way we do??
I think when a fly wants to land on the inside 'sticks' of a wheel, then it will see them. The only question is, in what way will it perceive them? I find it hard to believe it will perceive it the same way as we do. I think what a species perceives is dependent of what it needs to perceive to make it survive as long as possible which is nothing more then the consequence of evolution.
Then another thing... take a piece of paper and draw a little simple man on it with his arms down. Then take another paper and draw the same man, but this time with his arms up. Now quickly move the two papers (with the image of the little man) successively in turn. Your brain will 'think' the images are moving. So it's making a correlation. Does our brain correlate for survival?
If so, what does it really correlate?
I think the reality is built from atoms and molecules, in a chemical way. We don't see atoms (because we need an electron microscopic to do that). When we are using the electron microscope and we look to the atoms then we see them moving. But are they really?...
And about non-locality, I believe it's more something like a 'buttoned state'.
(sorry about the long text, had to put everything together)
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