bifurcated clock

AntonioLao · **bifurcated clock -** 03-10-2006, 11:48 AM

Between the future and the past lies the bifurcated clock. It looks just like any other clock: suspended, hanged, wrist banded, walled or table-topped and whether mechanical, crystal, atomical, astronomical, or cosmical. It tells the time. But as soon as it announces, it lies. The time is not what it is; it is what it was or what it will be. In an effort to be an honest clock, it is destined to fluctuate by ceaseless oscillations between going back and going forward. In so doing, the bifurcated clock really does not know the correct time, only the awareness of time. If endowed with canine feelings it becomes a frustrated, tail-chasing, ageless, faithful cosmic animal.

Guille · 03-10-2006, 01:13 PM

So in fact the only clocks which are correct are those that are either forward to retarded? At least they are right about a past or future time, whiles clocks at present are not correct. But wait, what clock tells the present? That is relative. Therefore, either all clocks, past, present and future time telling are wrong, or they are all right.

mkirkpatrick · **what the time mister wolff! -** 03-10-2006, 01:41 PM

I know this clock Antonio,I havebeen chasing my own tail for what "appears"
to be an eternity?The lies it tells decieve the unwary and the unwise,it "in-forms" you that there is plenty of room to spread out,then collapses the walls
around you,one has to look straight at the Dial (face)of this bifurated clock
look deeply into its core,then the form melts away,and is no more,you then
realise that you are in the NOW the eternal now,the clock has gone,time has
gone,all thatyou have known is gone,but "you" remain intact and content?

kind regards michael.

AntonioLao · 03-10-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GUILLE

Therefore, either all clocks, past, present and future time telling are wrong, or they are all right.

Humpty Dumpty's clock is always correct: neither left nor right, neither up nor down, neither backward nor forward.
http://www.sabian.org/alice.htm and http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm

baudrunner · 03-10-2006, 08:46 PM

X, Y, Z so what?

Beyond X, Y, Z we have nothing, no matter what the math tells you. Within it, about it, and around it we have all that is. Better learn to live with it.

AntonioLao · **time is the coordinate t -** 03-11-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baudrunner

X, Y, Z so what?

Time is the coordinate T not x,y,z. T should have 2 degrees of freedom.

baudrunner · 03-11-2006, 07:37 PM

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Time is the coordinate T not x,y,z. T should have 2 degrees of freedom.

In and out. Actually, every clock tells the correct time. Its tiime, whatever time that is. The proof is that you use a clock for reference, so whatever time it tells you is correct. Then you go out to the coffee shop where they have forgotten to adjust for daylight savings time, and you are in that clock's time. You are now not one hour ahead of yourself, or behind but at whatever time the clock says it is. Then you take the subway to the library, and you see the digital clock that says it is one hour and five minutes later than the clock in the coffee shop and you think to yourself, "am I five minutes behind?", so you take the train which is right on schedule according to the digital clock hanging over the platform and you wonder, "is the train late?". But what time is it if it isn't the time it says on the clock? So you walk to the library and the clock on the wall, the one that the librarian insists is accurate to the atomic second, is more or less in keeping with the time on your wristwatch, but you bought the wristwatch because it showed the positions of the planets, not because it was particularly accurate, because you have had a great deal of experience with time over the course of a long and productive life, one in which you are now wondering if you were ever actually really very punctual. And when the talking clock says it is seven o'clock is it really, or should you set it to as many seconds ahead of itself that it takes the time to tell you that compared to the clock on the library wall? So you glance at your wristwatch.

Here is my advice. Do what I did long ago. Trash your watch. If it's a Rolex, hock it and spend the money on some timeless pursuit.

Guille · 03-14-2006, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AntonioLao

Humpty Dumpty's clock is always correct: neither left nor right, neither up nor down, neither backward nor forward.
http://www.sabian.org/alice.htm and http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm

But it is not objective completely, for it is itself in a particular point of time. The best objective time measurement could only be done either out of time or from the whole of time.

AntonioLao · 03-14-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GUILLE

The best objective time measurement could only be done either out of time or from the whole of time.

But in a quantum universe, the measurer and measuree are intimately connected, that is they are inseparable and cause and effect are meaningless.