What happened to yesterday?

[nameless]

You quote Feynman, who specifically explains the impossibility of a universal definition of simultaneity, and thus denies an absolute Now... and then claim Now is all there is?

"The four-dimensional space-time manifold displays all eternity at once."
Most of us call "at once", Now!

Seriously?

Yes.

You say incorporating all perspectives is better than ignorantly arguing any single one, and then deny that any time but the Now exists?

Show me evidence for anything else.
You cannot and therefore your argument fails.
Still waiting for you to say in honesty that you are 'there' rather than 'Here!', or that you are "there Then" rather than Here/Now! No one has ever been other than "here" and "now".
You earn the right to call the statement ignorant by providing good evidence to the contrary. If all you have is your 'perceptions', then your argument holds true for you alone.
Do you also think that a movie is an actual fluid unfolding of time, real action, rather than a bunch of static Now!s being viewed from a certain linear Perspective in a certain sequence? The illusion appears very real, indeed, it is 'our' reality... While in the theater...
Just as a 'hallucination' is someone's 'reality', and a valid one at that! But other than in his own tiny corner of the universe, that 'perception' is not universal. Halucinations exist, your 'life' of 'motion' and 'linearity' and 'time' I present as an example.
We have progressed beyond the limitations of our senses (naive realism) in the understanding of existence. Well, some of us; more every day!

Science agrees with me,

Right, the 'science' of naive realism!

Now is an artifact of observation,

Now! is the observation is the universe, Now! and Now! and Now!
Perceiver and perceived are One, Now!
Perhaps you'll never get it. It really doesnt matter. All Perspectives are unique and all features of Now!

and there is no definitive universal simultaneity.

I'll define it for you;
'Now! is the complete definition of the universe at any moment as the sum- total of all Perspectives; Now! and Now! and Now!!!
Now! is universal simultaneity.
See? Now there is a defineable universal simultaneity! All you had to do is ask.

The great Acarya Maitreya says in his Saptadasa-bhumi-sastra-yogacarya:

"Before accepting a challenge for a debate, one should consider whether his opponent is a person worthy of carrying on debate through the process of proposition (siddhanta), reason (hetu), example (udaharana), etc. He should, before proceeding there, consider whether the debate will exercise any good influence on his opponent, the umpire, and the audience. But first of all, he should consider whether a debate - even won - would not bring him more harm than benefit."

Lest we forget another universal law;
'The First Law of Soul Dynamics'; "For every Perspective, there is an equal and opposite Perspective!" -Book of Fudd

Now! I've said everything that I need to on the subject, and am getting repetative. You cannot (whether you deny it or not) or will not (symptomatic of a 'belief') understand 'this' Perspective.

[Max™]

A Four Dimensional Spacetime displays all eternity at once.

Now is a 3 Dimensional slice of that reality.

I wrapped up the simplest truth of your perspective in a sentence "Now is an artifact of observation."

You apparently do not understand the reason why universal simultaneity does not hold for all observers (only for those in the same reference frame). You should look up this thing called Special Relativity, by some guy named Einstein, until you know what it means, I cannot speak to you about this subject properly.

[melanie]

Yesterday never was......Tomorrow never comes.

All THAT exist IS NOW.

Hope this video helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0GtUnn2EMM


BTW....The 5th dimension will be known as transcending the illusion of duality.

The transcending of humanity.. The awakening of mankind to it's inner most being.

And once this is realized, then WoW.. things really start to burn baby.

yeah baby yeah..... ...

[Max™]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wteiu...eature=related

Now is not something which two observers in motion relative to each other will agree on, simultaneity depends entirely on your state of motion.

I am a 4 Dimensional object observing 3 Dimensional slices of my path across spacetime.

[Unreal Zelta]

I totally forgot I created this thread... it has been toooo long...

regards

Zelta

[austintorn@aol.com]

I totally forgot I created this thread... it has been toooo long...


That could mean, in a way, that yesterday is nearly gone but for a clue and the re-cognizing of it.

[RascalPuff]

At the commencement of this thread, Unreal Zelta asks four questions and invites alternative answers. This post features #3.
I have a perculiar, but thought-provoking question(hopefully). What happened to yesterday?

3. We exist in different universes, once we've had a day and it's past, we move on and the other us live it as a first encounter (so we exist in differnet time intervals).

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Although, in this consideration, the future hasn't occurred yet, the past may or not be forgotten, but it is as real as the present - flash-frozen and projected upon the 4-D space-time continuum...

It is said that the electromagnetic force reciprocating between an electron and a proton is 1041 times the gravitational force; the gravitational force between these two ‘particles’ alleged to be ‘too weak’ to be measured’ at this microcosmic level.

The nuclear force which is distinquished from gravity ‘because’ it is 1041 times stronger, is (microcosmic - 'earlier Moment A') gravity (unrecognized and unacknowledged by physicists): this is due to the (4-D continuum) fact that the value(s) of time is covariant with the moment(s) of space it (time/motion) occurs in...

Allow this pie plate chart design diagram < to represent the Moments A, B, and C, 4-D expansion of any given physical or spatial system, where the left-most intersection of the two lines represents earlier Moment A (the convergence of the 4-D space-time continuum emerging from out of the infinite microcosms) the right-most opening representing later Moment C, advancing into the infinite macrocosms, with the middle of this pie plate chart representing Moment B - the 'eternal now' - of the considered 4-D continuum. (The actual shape of which would account for acceleration, in a profile structure such as Riemannian geometry's representation of a 'gravity sink'.

The value of a linear, square or cubic mile of space on (earlier) Moment A earth, is not the same value as that same mile measured on (later) Moment B earth, or on (latest) Moment C earth.

When a motorist on Moment A earth drives his automobile at the speed he measures as 60 miles per hour, he is not traveling 60 of Moment B miles per Moment B hour...

Moreover, the velocity of 18 & 1/2 Moment A miles per second, traveled by Moment A earth around Moment A sun, is not the same velocity as compared with the 18 1/2 miles per second traveled by Moment B earth around Moment B sun...

Neither is the 365 1/4 days of Moment A year the same interval in time - in this case determined by the completion of an orbit around the sun - as the 365 1/4 days of Moment B or Moment C (providing that these moments could be and were compared with each other).

The velocity of light - C - in this continuum, correspondingly varies from one moment to the next, while remaining constant, relative to the space-time moment from which it originates and with which it is associated. This principle of relative velocity is what allows for an 'optical', or 'event horizon', for example.

When the ‘mini person’ inhabitant of Moment A earth may look ‘up’ along the positive (future) side of the 4th dimension of time, and see themselves at (later) Moment(s) B or C, they would see their own image as an incredibly huge, slow moving giant; if this slow moving giant of Moment A mini-person’s future could look ‘down’ along the past side of their continuously accelerating 4-D projection, they would then observe themselves as a tiny, very fast moving ‘mini-person’.

There is no way for Moment A mini-person (thinking in 3-D conceptual physics) to know that their 3 dimensions of space, and consequently their time will be relatively larger (spatially) and slower (chronologically) at (future) Moments B and C.

Conversely, there is no way for that same giant, slow moving person in (later) Moments B and C to know that the spatial dimensions and time of their entire (Moment A) universe was correspondingly more contracted in space, having proportionately smaller durations of time, at Moment A.
The false assumption is that the value of space is the same with the passage of time; that, if Moment A earth was compared to Moment B and C earth, it (the earth) would have the same uniform size and density in space, when compared with itself at different moments in time.

Newton contemplated a 4-D continuum but did not anticipate that the values of space and time would vary with different spaces and times of that continuum.

The ‘here and now’ dimensions of ‘space and time’ appear - and are 3-dimensionally conceptualized - to be uniform and unchanging. The law of conservation of mass-energy is not infringed upon, since this expanding continuum is always the same amount of energy distributed over an ever increasing space; maintaining uniform relative density.

The acceleration of the apparently static (‘non-expanding’) 3 dimensions of space along the 4th dimension of time (the 4-D space-time continuum) reveals a contracted micro-space accompanied by a correspondingly and inevitably contracted micro-time. and a dilated macrospace accompanied by an equally and correspondingly dilated (‘slowed down’) macro-time.
This is the reason that Einstein called ‘Space and Time’ :
Space-Time.

This is the cause of what Einstein calls ‘Non-absolute time’, and 'non-absolute space'.

It is also the cause of what Einstein calls ‘time dilation’. The value of time is determined by the value of space it occurs in. Larger moments of 4-D space result in relatively slower time, when compared with the value of time in smaller moments of 4-D space.



The Twin Paradox Re-visited:
A popular example of relativistic non-absolute time (time dilation phenomenon) is known as the 'twin paradox'. One of two twin brothers remains on coordinate system earth, while the other twin departs the earth in a spacecraft vehicle, approaches the velocity of light; remains in deep space sustaining high velocity for what his senses and instruments measure as 30 days; then returns to earth to learn that his earthbound twin brother and everyone else on earth (who was his age upon his departure) is considerably more aged than himself.

The twin paradox becomes conceptually comprehensible with the application of the issued , expanding mass-field concept:
When an object - a space-craft and its contents accelerates faster than the coordinate system from which it originates and with which it is normally associated, the earth, the mass-field constructed spacecraft and its contents are distributed over a greater area, in accordance with the inverse square law (a system of relatively uniform space and time; in this case, as applicable to light). Consequently it becomes an independent coordinate system, having relatively larger values of space and proportionately slower experiences of time than its original coordinate system, earth.

In a spacecraft nearing the velocity of light the individual hairs on the heads of it's astronauts may (for example) be dilated (enlarged) to the diameter of a large radar dish (relative to the dimensions of space recognized on coordinate system earth). Yet, the astronauts detect no change of spatial values relative to themselves or their ship and its contents, including all of its time measuring instruments, because everything on board is proportionately dilated in 4-D space-time (much larger than that on cooridinate system, earth). For example: It takes these mass field dilated astronauts several of earth's relatively micro-spatial hours - and one of their relatively macro-spatial seconds - to sneeze. Upon returning to coordinate system earth, they must slow their speed, and in so doing they proportionately decrease their former - field expanded - size.
Upon disembarking the now 'normal sized' spacecraft, they learn that years have passed on earth, while they and their instruments have experienced, recorded, and can account for only a month of time in space.
Up to the time of this writing, there are not even any failed efforts to conceptually account for 'time dilation' and the 'twin paradox' that popularly accompanies it.

The (stubbornly unrecognized and denied) ever enlarging value of space is a ‘non absolute space’, which causes ‘non-absolute time’. The fundamental import of this discussion is that THE VALUE OF GIVEN UNITS OF TIME (seconds, hours, days, weeks, months, years) IS ENTIRELY DETERMINED BY THE 3-D VALUE (size) OF THE SPATIAL MOMENT (coordinate system) IT (time / motion ) OCCURS IN.

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[Unreal Zelta]

Thanks for the comment Ras, will go through it in detail once I get back home.

regards

Zelta

[Unreal Zelta]

I'm taking a more practical view of the idea of yesterday, that time moves in a linear direction so there is no yesterday or future. It is continuous; and an analogy would be having a computer, but with the hard drive removed. We are merely using these words to organise our lives, and inevitably they became social conventions.

regards

Zelta

[labelwench]

Yesterday......the foundation of our present moment of experiencing........where DOES it go? To be re-experienced in our recall if we direct our thoughts to same, yet the rendition of mind can never quite satisfy or recapture the full flavor of it's brief existence.

You went away........I miss you.......you gave a unique dimension to the experience of this forum.

Safe journey Zelta....