[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Thats right.. But speed is a derivative of motion and hence is not significant. The title of this thread is 'Time does not exist'. If time does not exist, neither does speed, but motion still exists...

No, speed of some velocity, is motion___always, and has no dependency on man's concept of time. It's simply and always, distance of objects, measured against other objects, at lesser and further distances, against the distance the earth circles the axis of itself, or the sun, etc. Time is the insignificance___it's just easier to use mathematically. Motion/speed is the prime factor of the universe's substance evolution, and your's also, I might add...

Lloyd

[N0B0DY]

Do you believe that space expands at faster-than-light speed, Lloyd? Or, if we consider the whole spectrum of light, does space exist to it?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY Do you believe that space expands at faster-than-light speed, Lloyd? Or, if we consider the whole spectrum of light, does space exist to it?

No Nobody, I do not believe space expands faster-than-light speed, but I do know that according to matter density laws, early space would have had to be expanding much faster than todays space, but not faster than light. It's the point about light, itself, existing in a faster state, in the early universe, due to no or little aether matter density, surrounding said first explosion. There certainly was no em-radiation, or extremely little, from first radiation tunneling, when the first star/singularity/black-hole exploded, and I do calculate it to be a massive, mass of real solid matter___just run the present universe in reverse, to figure that one out___That's a lot of solid matter. There was only the almost non-existent, non-viscous fluidic photonic phase space state, i.e., thinnest of density space possible to exist, yet still have the ability to form a first singularity, into a finite universe, through thermal in-waves, of near 0k hydrodynamics, into out-wave hot hydrodynamics___and the extreme velocity of E=MC^2, and maybe even a lot more speed, at least the cosmological evidence sure points in this direction...

Lloyd

[N0B0DY]

Just when I think I'm understanding you, you pull a time twist.

If near-zero k's naturally contractive functioning occurs in the infinity of space via in waves, simultaneous multiple singularities would form "everywhere." And, if I'm not mistaken, there wouldn't be any forward time for there to be a "first" anything without out waves.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Tricky, ain't it Nobody?

Originally Posted by N0B0DY Just when I think I'm understanding you, you pull a time twist. If near-zero k's naturally contractive functioning occurs in the infinity of space via in waves, simultaneous multiple singularities would form "everywhere." [No, no, no...You seem to forget first scalars are round/convex. If one starts at infinity's extremity, round concave scalar in-waves seek their own centers___naturally, but on the other hand, I couldn't completely ignore the possibility of the many small bangs model being valid, just yet, which would match your simultaneous multiple singularities everywhere model, yet still in the over-all center of infinity, as so much of infinite FS must be gathered up to make any first actual solid mass.] And, if I'm not mistaken, there wouldn't be any forward time for there to be a "first" anything without out waves.

Where do you get convex scalar out-waves Nobody, if not from concave scalar in-waves, first centering, then producing the first finite singularity, the only first thing capable of producing convex scalar out-waves, upon radiation/explosion?{at least one or more finite singularities} Come-on, use your simple logic___just look at the shapes, and realize something real must produce them, not magic. If something real produces concave scalar in-waves, it has to be infinity, as it's the only first thing there is, capable of moving, scalar-wise, concavely inward___Infinite fundamental thermal space substance, in the form of the simple concave scalar in-wave, of cold motion, friction, heat and sound. Sorry, out-waves are secondary waves, after the most fundmental in-waves.

Lloyd

[N0B0DY]

You know, Lloyd, like you said, there are other views other than mine, and it's hard to see sometimes how we come across to others. The moment we're absolutely sure we have put it all together is the moment we haven't. I call it being caught in a snare.

I had mentioned before in the other thread that there would be too much external pressure for there to be any literalized expansion or explosion. The exponential increase of compounding in waves of infinity would be just that, infinitely greater than the localized out waves you're depicting which would be cancelled. And, conversely, if there are what I think there would be, an infinite number of singularities forming, the out waves of them would cancel each other out as well.

This is why I suggest considering the two perspectives of vacuity that equate the universal motionless state with your absolute solidity (fundamental substance): the one being non-existence, the "real" constant state that never changes; and the abstract evolution of relative states when that state is divided infinitely - importantly, only in the form of producing the basis for incremental time and space, which of themselves we agree are illusory modes of thinking.

Also, we have to consider that all potential finite speeds, amplitudes, wavelengths, etc., are contained within the absolute state in abstract form. Like the white canvass I mentioned, which contains all conceivable pictures once differentiated by division.

I think it would be a true miracle, or magic, if there were to be literal waves waving around, Lloyd.

[mkirkpatrick]

The eternal now is the only reality,yet we fail to see it because we are blinded by the
relative illusion that has us groping in the sensory world,that is itself illusary,thereby we
go around in ever decreasing circles,getting no where fast.




regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY I had mentioned before in the other thread that there would be too much external pressure for there to be any literalized expansion or explosion. The exponential increase of compounding in waves of infinity would be just that, infinitely greater than the localized out waves you're depicting which would be cancelled. And, conversely, if there are what I think there would be, an infinite number of singularities forming, the out waves of them would cancel each other out as well. [What you got Nobody, a big aversion against fundamental reality?] I think it would be a true miracle, or magic, if there were to be literal waves waving around, Lloyd.

No miracle/magic, just literal waves of FS, evolving on up, to little ol' us___Literally___Singularities, in between... Ain't no other sensible reality, Nobody...

Lloyd

[N0B0DY]

"Sensible" being the operative word. I agree.

[north]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY Do you believe that space expands at faster-than-light speed, Lloyd? Or, if we consider the whole spectrum of light, does space exist to it?

I can't speak for Lloyd , but

space and the existence of energy/matter is a simultaneous , instantaneous , existance. and is infinite , in their existence. they never weren't , ever.

all four become together .

light is a consequence of the interactions and/or actions of energy/matter