[quanta07]

Hello infinitethoughts....
This statement..

Linear Time, specifically states that it is impossible to experience the present Now.

has no basis in validity. We live in the ‘now’. We know this from the previously experienced ‘now’s in our memory(past). From our previous ‘now’ experiences, we expect more ‘now’s(future).
We bound this concept of linear time in three parameters, past/present/future. Some of us are aware that the ‘now’ is experienced a few microseconds after the event. Does this matter? It seems as close to the ‘now’ as we can get.
We plan our lives on future events, (payday)
ALL observed events are a function of time, be it the ‘now’ or future.

At this Now, I do not see this "past" or "future" that Linear Time speaks of. I submit, that we have taken what Newton said 300 years ago, and have sort of blindly believed it.

What of your memories of past events? Does this not demonstrate ‘past’? Yes, we use time blindly in our everyday lives. We use time as a scalar in science.
The behavior of linear time is modeled as if each of us is locked to a single point(now) which is a moving point on a time line. The direction of this ‘now’ movement is toward the future This yields the behavior of a vector, a vector of change with magnitude ‘delta Time’ and direction ‘Future’.
IMHO, viewing linear time as a vector instead of a philosophical unknown is more beneficial and objective than subjective observations of the ‘now’. Subjective views lead to discussion without resolution I prefer the objective vector view, which leads to a resolution that cosmic expansion creates time, not mankind.
We can quantify time in units of seconds, minutes, hours, years.
We can qualify time as a vector OR project it into a philosophical mist of the ‘now’ and nonexistence.
Others are remaining objective and discoveries are being made……

Are you taking odds on Dr. Mallett’s having successful experiments? I’ll give you 100 to 1 he fails.

I take that bet…….He has already succeeded.

Happy thoughts….Q7

[infinitethoughts]

Linear Time, specifically states that it is impossible to experience the present Now.[/font]

has no basis in validity. We live in the ‘now’. We know this from the previously experienced ‘now’s in our memory(past). From our previous ‘now’ experiences, we expect more ‘now’s(future). We bound this concept of linear time in three parameters, past/present/future. Some of us are aware that the ‘now’ is experienced a few microseconds after the event. Does this matter? It seems as close to the ‘now’ as we can get. We plan our lives on future events, (payday) ALL observed events are a function of time, be it the ‘now’ or future. [color=#484d53]

But that's just it. Current mainstream Science through "experiments" are saying that the physical brain is not able to experience the Now.

This is because of the incorrect viewpoint of Linear time. IE: > Past > Present > Future.

You yourself say we can only live in the Now. So are you agreeing Now is all there is? What we think of as the "past" is simply memories that we are having within the Now.

Originally Posted by quanta07 What of your memories of past events? Does this not demonstrate ‘past’? Yes, we use time blindly in our everyday lives. We use time as a scalar in science. The behavior of linear time is modeled as if each of us is locked to a single point(now) which is a moving point on a time line. The direction of this ‘now’ movement is toward the future This yields the behavior of a vector, a vector of change with magnitude ‘delta Time’ and direction ‘Future’. IMHO, viewing linear time as a vector instead of a philosophical unknown is more beneficial and objective than subjective observations of the ‘now’. Subjective views lead to discussion without resolution I prefer the objective vector view, which leads to a resolution that cosmic expansion creates time, not mankind. We can quantify time in units of seconds, minutes, hours, years. We can qualify time as a vector OR project it into a philosophical mist of the ‘now’ and nonexistence. Others are remaining objective and discoveries are being made…… I take that bet…….He has already succeeded. Happy thoughts….Q7

There has been a successful experiment to show Causality is not what we thought it was.

In 1982 Alain Aspect successfully showed that electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them, whether an inch, 100 feet or 10 billion miles apart.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-159280358.html

It seems Quantum Physics is taking us down the path of mystical experience.

[quanta07]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts But that's just it. Current mainstream Science through "experiments" are saying that the physical brain is not able to experience the Now. This is because of the incorrect viewpoint of Linear time. IE: > Past > Present > Future. You yourself say we can only live in the Now. So are you agreeing Now is all there is? What we think of as the "past" is simply memories that we are having within the Now. There has been a successful experiment to show Causality is not what we thought it was. In 1982 Alain Aspect successfully showed that electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them, whether an inch, 100 feet or 10 billion miles apart. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-159280358.html It seems Quantum Physics is taking us down the path of mystical experience.

Enough is enough.......If you wish to hold to this philisophical tripe, you deserve no answers. The experiment shows nothing about causality, it demonstrates lack of knowledge about the role of time in our cosmos. Action at a distance is directly related to the role of time within expansion. Quantum physics is a MODEL of behavioral prediction. The only mystical experience here is being promoted by philosophy NOT science.
http://www.toequest.com/forum/mathem...pace-time.html
DO not put words in my mouth. I did not state that 'now' is all there is, that is what the post is about...
If you wish to hold with this believe, then wander where ever you wish. No future,No past..
You can not mix philosophy and science. Separate the study of mankind from the study of his environment, else we are all doomed to ignorance.

In science, Time itself is not just linear, it is multidimensional with spatial properties.

Oops, time to go........Good Luck in your non-existant future.

Happy Thoughts.....Q7

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by quanta07 Enough is enough.......If you wish to hold to this philisophical tripe, you deserve no answers.

I thought you'd discount the experiment that way.

Guess what? The experiment happened, instantaneous communication happened, and no amount of not willing to accept that will stop it.

[quanta07]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts I thought you'd discount the experiment that way. Guess what? The experiment happened, instantaneous communication happened, and no amount of not willing to accept that will stop it.

I did not discount the experiment. Action at a distance happens, it is documented and verified. Ok so maybe you do deserve some answers. The REASON it happened can be found in this study.
http://www.toequest.com/forum/mathem...pace-time.html
There you will find some answers on questions of time as well.
I objected this view of 'no past, no future, only now', that you present.
But after reading what I posted, I regret the 'tone' it presents for I am an old man and I have forgotten they may have been my views when I was young.
My experiences tell me there is a past, that doing the right thing in the 'now' may effect future 'now's so life and the living of it gets better.

It is better to view time as a vector space, linear time a line of moving points, where we are attached to only one of these points....the NOW point. Our point changes position on this line at a rate of delta T.

Happy thoughts........Q7

[dipayankar]

I guess we are now talking of the concept of time rather than the defination of time in the literal sense

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts I'd like to add. I think the problems occur when we speak of 'time'. I have no problem agreeing that change exists, but I would not call this change time. Time is us humans inventing a measuring system for this change.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts I'd like to add. I think the problems occur when we speak of 'time'. I have no problem agreeing that change exists, but I would not call this change time. Time is us humans inventing a measuring system for this change

Agreed,

The conceptual universe both exist and non-exist simultaneously.
The absolute out of which every-thing is ''appearance'' only.
IS ever unchanged. Only 'appearing' to change. Conceptual.
The ever unchanged has no concept in mind. Absolute zero.

melanie.