Time Does Not Exist

[greenbug]

“From the point of science time and space is only the illusion of our mind, our brain and our own subjective reality
”


Well then science is an illusion.. The real question is how does any thing real retain solidity? It’s the same question we have with the cat, how could any state be true when we don’t know the answer? How could there be more then one truth and still provide solidity to reality?

One truth, many truths.. It is all man made because all that we know comes from man, not from nature. The perspective and senses of humans always seem to be flawed, so questioning seems to be the only constant our only solidity. Every thing is subjective, every thing is flawed, that is perhaps why the truth to any thing always seems to be wrong and so an illusion. But only from solidity and reality could any thing even be, even if that solidity and reality is your own and no one elses.

[Paestimer]

Hi Fortean,

I also "have time for" your overview.

However, I liked it even though I'm not sure how true (or how rationally definable) is your idea of an inverse relation between relativistic increase of mass and a decrease of activity at the quantum level.

May I suggest to you that one of the very best vantagepoints for getting feedback and learning about fundamental physics-principles and what is going on as far as the quest to further sharpen the tip of the (already near-enough existing) TOE (and other, non-stringy things, too) is located right in front of a screen of a computer that is swithched on and infotronically in contact with Lubos Motl and his http://motls.blogspot.com.

Anyway, I personally truly enjoy and appreciate having the possibility to tap into the thinking of one of the best - and most generally informed, switched-on, and often bitingly witty - young physicists the world has ever seen.

Cheers,

P

[dipayankar]

It seems even two humans perceive the same colour in two different ways.

The cat itself collapses the wave function.

Our subjective paints a [better] face on the reality that is really out there and in here as our brain neurons. Actual colors are in here, for example, as qualia, but still out there, in another way, as differing electromagnetic wave frequencies. Our instruments can detect the rest [out there].

As for objects, the visual system sizes, forms, and textures them from the way their photon pattern arrives, like from what direction and their intensity and such.

And here's a good one: even light is subjective, again the result of waves. That's why it can be bright with light inside your 'dark' head when you are night dreaming.

[austintorn@aol.com]

It seems even two humans perceive the same colour in two different ways.

…And we thought their choice of clothes was because they got dressed in the dark!


So, time becomes of the one-way collapse of the wave function, those tinny Planck instants marching on?

[tess]

Having more time I’ve read all the posts here. I have one more question.
There is a lot of physics and math here. I have to take your word on it and accept it as I am a humanist.
However, theory as such / lost in the mathematical equations and theoretical assumptions/ does not bring us humans closer to understanding time. How you theory masters can cope with it?

[tess]

It seems even two humans perceive the same colour in two different ways.

…And we thought their choice of clothes was because they got dressed in the dark!


So, time becomes of the one-way collapse of the wave function, those tinny Planck instants marching on?

Planck , wave marching.........................??????


Unfortunately, with our subjective existence we have to cope with iabove. In the moment no, methodical, mathematical equation can get even closer to our subjective world i.e. consciousness/ brain OR we can't get closer to IT

[austintorn@aol.com]

I am a humanist as well. I usually end up using science since it pervades every discipline.

How about that time is the frequency of the events that appear over the horizon of consciousness, roughly 10/44ths of a second.

However, it varies, for if you are having fun, it goes fast; if you are bored,it goes slow.

If you are stuck in grade school, sometimes the clock hardly moves at all. If you don't look at it for what you thought was 20 minutes, you see that it only went 5 minutes.

[tess]

I am a humanist as well. I usually end up using science since it pervades every discipline.

How about that time is the frequency of the events that appear over the horizon of consciousness, roughly 10/44ths of a second.

However, it varies, for if you are having fun, it goes fast; if you are bored,it goes slow.

If you are stuck in grade school, sometimes the clock hardly moves at all. If you don't look at it for what you thought was 20 minutes, you see that it only went 5 minutes.

Sure,
But whatever you gave as an example is explainable with 21 century neurology. Our brain works depending on :neurotransmitters/ hormones/ DNA, Pavlov dog reaction; etc


It has to do with the ultimate laws of the universe or universes as we are part of it.


We are not even near to understand them.


We are a long way of grasping it. Not long ago we were on trees. Then we used a God to give us relief from our confusion. Now we have math models which might bring our closer to real reality but hey in the end of the day they are still a product of our limited brain.

Don’t forget, not long ago we claimed that earth was a middle of universe with all the mathematical date behind it.


What next?

[austintorn@aol.com]

Actually, we did find out Everything, just recently in the 'Science vs. God' thread, within the las 50 pages or so. In the process of disproving God, we discovered that the Causeless had to be a completely disordered chaotic mess, so it couldn't be a Kosmic Mind at all. (The Church is still as far behind in these matters as when they had the flat Earth as the center of all, along with evil spirits causing physical and mental ills.).

Time…? Hmmm… I have more of it, so, how about:

[austintorn@aol.com]

Furthermore, on tropical islands, they use 'island time',
meaning that they don't really keep track of it.



This is my house on Bora-Bora; I don't even know what time it is.
It might be half-past a meridian. Got the time, Tess?