[quanta07]

We cannot remove time from our mathematical models of everything. We record our observations based on GMT. The existence factor cannot be ignored. Without time there can be no existence of anything to observe.
After observation, behavior is modeled with mathematics. This is done to form a process of prediction in behavior and replication of results for testing. All observations are correlated with time.
We are each accustomed to our own view and use of time. Time measure by motion equates to hours, days and years, linear scalar concepts. Linear time has properties, properties of magnitude and direction, vector properties. It is the vector properties of time that create/effect the observed behavior and structure of our cosmos.
For most, ‘time’ is held in the abstract, as manmade concept useful only as a tool of order and measurement.
Time itself, within nature, is a vector space. Within cosmic expansion, time is a MacLaurin series, merged with spatial coefficients.
As we continuously move into the future, we create a vector from our past. Our views of time must be expanded to include the behavior of time with vector concepts.
If we choose to ignore these vector properties, we are wasting time in our quest for understanding……..Q7

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Q07, I wasn't advocating removing time from our mathematics, as that would be too cumbersome in doing the necessary maths you mention. I was just simply stating that time is unnecessary to the universe's pure operation. It's our abstract understanding of the universe's matter or substance in motion, and sometimes helps us understand the universe better and easier. There's also the down side of the false metaphysical interpretations of space-time exaggerations, over the last century...

Just clarrifying,
regards,

[dipayankar]

Micheal, if we remove time from the universe, then our equations that so accurately predict events, would be zero meaning that the laws of physics do not exist. Hence we cannot in any way remove time from our calculations

[5589]

Perhaps they are accurate in the framework we have set up for them.

I was shooting hoops by myself a few months ago when my neighbor's daughter came along and told me I was "doing it all wrong". The ball must be rolled towards the hoop and it must stop directly underneath it in order to score points.

In her world, I would have been playing the game incorrectly.

It does not mean that my 'laws of basketball' do not exist. From her perspective, they just don't apply.

Does light care how many minutes are in an hour?

[dipayankar]

The mode of measurement is left to ones imagination, however the concept of time cannot be ruled out. It is too basic an ingredient for the universe to exist..

[mkirkpatrick]

Dipayankar,are you really sure of that?We are the ones with the concept of time,not
the universe,that managed for aeons before man became aware,without the need or concept of time!



regards michael.

[5589]

I would agree.

We invented our concept of time.

Do we experience the same concept of time as does, say, a tree?

I think, too, we each have our own sub-concepts of time. Some people who are in their 80s look much younger because they 'feel' that way. I am convinced that their concept of time has slowed down their biological clock.

I don't think we all share the same 'clock' and, thus, don't all share the same concept of time. Much different, too, for other species. Even more different for planets and the universe.

[mkirkpatrick]

Absolutely 5589,and very well put,as I grow older,the inner me feels younger,while the outer me looks older!

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dipayankar The mode of measurement is left to ones imagination, however the concept of time cannot be ruled out. It is too basic an ingredient for the universe to exist..

Dipayankar, have you realized time can be converted to cycles of the earth's rotational distance, and it's orbital distance around the galaxie___time equals physical distance. We experience time due to the distance our earth and galaxie has traveled through the universe, since our birth___time converted to distance___again. It's just our math is much easier with time, since we've used this conversion of distance for so long a time/distance. The cycles of the moon, earth and other galaxies' stars and clusters were originally used to build all calandars, such as the Maya, as far as I know...

regards,

[Mr. Nobody]

Without motion including that induced by temperature there is no time. Since space has vacuum energy with random motion (quantum flucs), there cannot be space without time